Dr. Veronica’s Wellness Revolution: Health and Wellness for the Real World

Veronica Anderson, MD is a Medical Doctor, Medical Intuitive, Functional Medicine Practitioner and Homeopath. Pioneering a new generation of functional medicine practitioners, Dr. Veronica transcends all boundaries with her passion for wellness through her unique blend of Traditional and Alternative Medicine. A podcast all about transparency and helping others Regain their health. Join her each week for exclusive interviews with the world’s best healers and dissect their strategies to bring you optimal health in your mind, body and spirit.
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Nov 28, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Emily Filoramo about Erasing Your Fears, Negative Self-Talk and Insecurities.

What does it take to erase your fears, negative self-talk and insecurities? Self-Leadership Expert, Trainer and Transformational Executive Coach, Emily Filoramo, mentors leaders and teams to master the inner game of success, leadership and life, utilizing Internal Family Systems evidence-based, proven model of accelerated self-awareness and personal growth. Her combination of challenging life experiences, 27-year pharmaceutical career, holistic nutrition expertise and passion in peak performance psychology, gives her a unique platform to help you soar to greatness from the inside-out.

In this episode, Emily will talk about why she left the pharmaceutical industry, negative talk in Asian communities and how you can heal spiritual, emotional and physical issues. She will also talk about improving intimacy and love in relationships, recognizing a blessing in disguise and overcoming tragic experiences. Listen to the end to learn how you can help yourself and determine the root cause of illness and injury.


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Show Notes:

03:30 - Why Emily left the pharmaceutical business

06:45 - Embarking on your spiritual journey

11:45 - Negative self-talk in Asian communities

21:20 - Healing spiritual, emotional and physical issues

22:00 - Intimacy and love in relationships

30:00 - Recognizing a blessing in disguise

36:30 - Overcoming tragic experiences

41:30 - Can you help yourself?

44:30 - The root cause of illness & injury

Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET. 

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Female VO: Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives.

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Dr. Veronica: Welcome to another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Today we're going to talk about how you talk, how you speak, and how it affects your life. As a wellness coach, I started my life as a doctor but now I coach because it's more effective. I realized people that are going to make or break them and one is how they talk about themselves and what they're doing or going to do. 

One of the words I give people, "Here's what you're going to go out and do next week." And they say, "Okay, I'll try." And then I say, "Wait, no. Banish that word, try." When you try to do something it means that you're never going to get there. You're never going to do it. You'll always be trying but you won't be succeeding. No, you're going to do.

And so for a lot of times... You guys hear Artemis back in the background. Of course you know. This [Unintelligible 00:01:34]. But you realize that with people you want them to do. And so one of the tasks that I work on with people is them changing their languaging, about themselves, about what they are doing or going to do. 

And so my guest here, Emily Filloramo,, was in pharmaceutical sales for many years, left, switched gears. Neurolinguistic program, this is what we're talking about. Try and can, the negative self-talk that make it. But you learn this somewhere. And so we're going to talk today because in transforming your health you have to have it up here. Then you have to speak it and everything can change. It's not all about diet, supplements, and exercise. 

It's also about getting your mind and your spirit and emotions. So you guys know that that's what I'm going to tell you about because there are millions of people out there telling you what diet to go on, what to eat, and pushing and peddling your product. I want to tell you what the secret sauce is.

Today I have with me Emily Filloramo, She also has a book, How to Permanently Erase Negative Self-Talk: So You Can Be Extraordinary. Welcome to Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Let's start by saying you're in pharmaceutical sales, a beautiful, comfortable job that people aspire to. You get your car, you get the free lunches, you get the wine and dine people, it pays really well. You get the bennies going on. And you know it's so hard to get benefits these days. But some of the best ways to get taken care of is to push drugs, be a drug pusher for a pharmaceutical company. So what made you switch?

Emily: I switched because I was laid off after 27 years back in 2011. I was almost ready to retire. Another couple of years I could've gotten a big, fat pension because I had started when I was so young. And so the universe had orchestrated that 2x4 to be hit. And it was pretty painful because I had a kid. He was a freshman in college. I have three years of private college tuition left to pay so it's 180,000. And here I am I don't have my six figure job anymore.

Anyhow, I dug in and I got the courage to jump off the cliff into the entrepreneurial journey. And eventually I found my spiritual calling, as a transformational magician and leadership coach. And so I launched as a nutritionist first because that's what I studied at Cornell. Made sense, right?

What I found is that I didn't like coaching people how to eat their green beans, drink their green smoothies because they did well when they were with me but afterwards they fell off the wagon. And that's why 95% of dieters keep failing and gain all their weight back because I recognized they were not addressing the real emotional burns that they were carrying, the I'm not worthy, I'm not enough.

And so because they didn't believe in themselves that's what was holding them back from actually sustaining the healthy habits. And so even if when you say I try, the patients say I try, they try because there's a part of them that doesn't believe that they actually deserve to be that rocking trim, healthy, and someone that deserves for everybody to turn their head and look at them.

And so because it's all the old shame... we all have old shame that we're holding on to that has us believe that we don't deserve to be in the spotlight. Because our deepest fear is our light, not our darkness. And that's what drives people so self-sabotage in health, in career, in relationships, in everything that we do. And so I ended up in the training, linguistics programming but I found that that was not enough to get to real issues.

And so low and behold the universe orchestrated me ending up in this training called internal family systems. It's a general physician. We all got evidence based, internal family systems, IFS, developed by Dr. Richard Schwarz, is an evidence based modality of permanent emotional healing. It's the fastest path to becoming aware of who you are. And it's the fastest path to really living as your authentic self and unleashing the most extraordinary version of who you are. Men or women you've always dreamed of becoming. 

And just unleashing to the next level and whatever it is that you want to do with your life, getting spirit-led center and finding your true calling. And living life with joy on the journey to really leaving your legacy. And so that is power.

Dr. Veronica: One thing that I'm noticing is a lot of us who have been in, let's say traditional, beautiful, successful careers are now moving out of those stable places to be able to go on and help people on the spiritual journey. Why do you think that is? What do you think is going on here?

Emily: Especially with success driven people who lived life as they were supposed to. You do great in school. Yeah, I know. Go to college, or maybe you were told by your mom and dad you got to be a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer. Be an artist, no, shut that part of you off. 

So you do what you're supposed to do. You live through this mask, this persona that you've erected of how you're supposed to show up so you get accepted by people. And so you go on this rat race. You make good money, have the kids, buy the house, whatever it is that you're supposed to do to look like you're successful. Then usually in mid-life, especially people in their 40's is like, "This is all there is? How come I'm not happy despite the money, status, and stuff? Who am I? Why am I here on this earth? I know I'm a good doctor and a lot of physicians I used to call on, but this is just a rat race."

Dr. Veronica: It's funny for me. I feel like it was a year in practice that I started my own from patient zero that I knew this ain't it. Then I became more and more miserable and depressed because I had no idea how to get out of it at that point in addition to thinking that, oh my god, I spent so many years to get here. I spent so many years to get here and now I can't stand it. What am I going to do? In addition too, because in our culture and society people are just so sick nobody's going to help you get out because they want you as their doctor.

Emily: And I think the other frustration that a lot of physicians used to share with me is I give them these tools. The same old song and dance, you got to eat right, you got to exercise, move your body. And so these patients try and they don't succeed. Because they want to just stay in the darkness because... Oh my god, I just had a conversation the other day with a new client and she says, "Oh my god, who am I if I showed up in my thousand watt light? I've never shown up in that way." And so it's scary.

You need to do the emotional healing work. Because what happens is we're so off from center because we don't have the right story in our head. So maybe there are physicians that could stay in medicine. But when you do so many inner works understand who you are and what drove you to overachieve. A lot of that over achievement can be due to... you were the smartest kid in class and the bullies all make fun of you for wearing pocket protectors or whatnot. And it's like, "I'll show them." 

So we don't even know we have that story going on in our head. And then just the pressure from mom and dad. They want... It's only the way I'm going to get approval is if I get an MD, or JD, or MBA after my name. So you keep seeking validation from the outside. Because when you were young stuff happened at school or at home where you felt neglected, when you felt like you didn't belong.

I had a physician that I worked with and this is one of his most traumatic moments. When he was in second or third grade he had to smell the feet of the bully on the school bus. Just imagine how humiliating that is. And the kids also shoved him down the sewer when he was in first grade. 

And so he had all of these. He had great parents but he had all these bad incidences from the bullies and made him believe, took on the belief, "I am not enough. I'm not lovable. Look at what they did to me. I am ashamed." He was also a minority so you felt like I didn't belong and that's why they're discriminating. 

And so that drove him to succeed and become a doctor and whatnot. Yeah, over achievement but now he is sabotaging his relationships. He's a very handsome man and he always had trouble with... Logically he knows he's handsome, but every time he sees a beautiful woman at the bar or at some party or whatever he's so afraid to approach her because of that little boy that was in the sewer. That little boy that was on the school bus believing that he is worthless.

So that little voice is like, "Why would she want to go out with me?" The logical brain says, "Of course she wants to go out with you. You're successful, you're a doctor." But that little boy inside of him is like, "No, you don't deserve her." And even if he did get her to go out he'll sabotage it. 

Dr. Veronica: Let's break some ground here. Because we both talk to all kinds of audiences. But I want to break a little ground here because there are some subject matter that people just gloss over and they don't talk about it. And if we don't start talking about these cultural identities we're never going to get people well. 

And so we are sitting here, you're an Asian woman, I'm an African American. First we got the woman thing going on but then we have the not from the European culture thing going on. Where do you think that plays a role? Let's talk a little bit about that. As an Asian woman where were you. Because I know there was self-talk and I have plenty of Asian friends who tell me what was going on in their family. 

And I look at Asian people and say, "You guys start out with an A because everybody expects you to have the A. And then you have to knock yourselves down in grades. You start out with the A. But as a black person you start out with an F and then you got to work yourself up to the whatever. 

But there's all kinds of positive and negative things going on in this and I know there's plenty of people who watch you and or watch me because I'm an African American woman, or because you're an Asian woman. They're going to listen to what you have to say. 

First, speak to your Asian brothers and sisters and let everybody else know a little bit about what's going on with the negative self-talk in the Asian community. And I know it's not monolithic. I understand that. When people are looking from the outside they tend to lump in. And this is one of our problems, we're not educated. But there's some Asian personas that from having friends that are Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Taiwanese, all the different areas. I've seen some similarities in the way the families operate. Talk about that and the negative self-talk.

Emily: Yes. I'm an immigrant. I came here when I was nine.

Dr. Veronica: I'm still listening, but keep talking.

Emily: Okay. I came here when I was nine years old and without a word of English. And so I was trying to assimilate in Los Angeles which was not so traumatic. What became traumatic was when the family moved to New York in the middle of junior high, in the middle of the school year. And we ended up living in a two bedroom, non-air conditioned, third floor walkup for six people, four kids and two parents, one bathroom. And so it was not fun. 

I just felt so ashamed for having to live that way. We were one of the poorest kids on the block. And so the first neighborhood that we lived in there were a lot of African Americans in the school and I was teased a lot for being Asian. I was called all sorts of discriminatory names. And I didn't share those with my parents. 

My parents was toxicity at home with the way my father was emotionally abusing my mother, belittling her. And just witnessing that was horrible. And so I didn't feel the love at home because there was no love between them. So they didn't know how to show up as parents. And so I had to break up their fights and stuff, so I had bad trauma. 

And then I have all the trauma of the stuff that I experienced at school where I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I'm wearing hand me down clothing. Nothing matches. I needed braces. I felt ugly." And so that shame kept going on because we had moved again in the middle of the school year and I didn't feel like I fitted in. We were living amongst a lot of Jewish and Italian families in bay side Queens way back in the 70's. There weren't a lot of Asians. Again, I felt different.

Dr. Veronica: It's interesting because Queens now is like little Asia.

Emily: Yes. I know. And so the point is however we grow up, because when we feel different that's when we take on the beliefs of I don't fit in. And so I always felt ashamed about my Asian-nes because I was never accepted as an Asian. 

And I had an incident where I was at the home of a Jewish boy working on a project, somebody that I had a crush on. And his mother comes home and just says to him, "Take her home please. She doesn't need to come here and do this project with you." It was just the way that she said and I remembered just being frozen. It's like, "Oh my god, here I am being discriminated against." So all of that toxicity at home and then the stuff that I was feeling at school, it drove my overachievement gene, because I said, "I got to get out of here." I am never coming back home. 

Fortunately, I got into Cornell, got into a good school, but at Cornell the discrimination continued. I was in the fraternity parties and the frat boys I was overhearing them saying, "You got to go ask that chink to dance with you." The names that I was called it was horrifying.

I kind of shoved all of that shame under the rug and I was fortunate that I was able to get a great job. Eight months out of college I started working for Pfizer, got out on my own. And because I was now making money I wasn't poor anymore, I decorated myself in designer clothing. I made sure I looked perfect to just make sure nobody knew who that Emily was underneath all of this package of perfection.

And there's a saying that perfectionism is just shame wrapped up in a pretty little box. And that's what I was hiding. And so I met my husband, got married, had a kid, and all that other kind of stuff. I have another trauma which is when I was five months pregnant. My husband suffered a heart attack. He was only 38, I was 29. That's a whole another side of the story.

He's alive today. He's doing well. But for 15 years I had to deal with raising a kid and trying to figure out is his next shoe going to drop. When is he going to die? He's gone through a couple of angioplasties, quadruple bypass surgery, all that stuff. 

I was frozen. I lived a numbed out life. I was like, "Okay, just keep making money. You got health insurance and just do what you're supposed to do. Go out on a nice vacation." But then at the end of the day I really wasn't addressing the fact that I really wasn't satisfied. I was doing my job in my sleep but I knew that there was more of me that could be unleashed, I just didn't know what that was going to look like. And I wasn't going to worry about it until I retired. The universe had a different game plan. 

In 2011 that's when they decided, okay, it's time to lay you off and to wake you up. And so on this entrepreneurial journey is where I found my joy. Even though it's extremely hard. I've hit many speed bumps, got into very stinky potholes, gotten stuck there. The rest of my emotional karma stuff that wasn't worked on had to be worked out.

And so the reason why I gained this courage and fearlessness to go on the entrepreneurial journey was because 10 years prior, in my 40, I'm 54 now. In my 40's all of the emotional baggage that I've never addressed kind of came to the surface and I ended up in a depression and anxiety state for a year. It was triggered by a situation at work which led me to address all of the anger and range that I had towards my father for the way he treated my mother. The anger and rage for him being so afraid and not being able to support the family in a way where I could at least had clothing that made me feel like I fit in with the group. The anger and rage of not being able to afford braces for me to feel like I look normal. And I also addressed all of the shame of being Asian that I had to address. 

Initially I had gone to a hypnotist to heal and I had to go back and access these young parts of me, including the part of me that was growing inside of my mother's womb. I was the oldest of four kids. What's interesting is looking at the picture, my mother being pregnant with me I knew right then and there that fetus, she was praying for me to be a boy. Because my grandmother used to say to my mother all the time, keep getting pregnant until you produce sons. 

As a fetus that's growing we pick up on all those energy. I knew that I was a worthless human being from the very get go. So it was me, my sister, and my two brothers. And even when my grandfather died he only asked for my brothers to go back to Taiwan. And he didn't ask for me and my sister. It's just all the cultural burdens. It's not their fault. They were downloading these beliefs and programming it to us. It's a legacy part that we have to release. It's not my parents' fault that they were fighting with each other or they couldn't be present for me. It's because they are wounded. They didn't do the healing.

So when we do our healing that's when we forgive all of the people that have hurt us. And we forgive ourselves. And so I had to do all these healing, repairing all these young parts of me that didn't feel... Because when you're experiencing that kind of trauma. You take on the beliefs that I must not be worthy. I must not be lovable. I must not be enough. That's why I get discriminated against, that's why I get made fun of. 

And what happens is there's parts of you that go into overdrive to try to overcompensate, so the overachievement gene. You're overachievement to try to show that you are worthy. So my drive to make money to make myself look good. Now we're doing it for the wrong reasons and that's why it will come back to haunt you especially in midlife.

Dr. Veronica: Some of these issues that are societal and cultural don't necessarily go away. But there are people who end up thriving because they heal from them. And people who are hurting with spiritual, emotional, and physical issues want to know how to heal. So you talk about this negative self-talk and how to be extraordinary. And you specifically talk a lot about people attracting love into their lives and why they cannot attract love into their lives.

I deal with people like this all the time and one of their biggest sources of pain is they don't have a life partner. And so you talk about, "Hey, this is what you're doing wrong. Here's how you shifted." Talk a little bit about what people attract in their life. Because people just feel like, "I always get the bad guys or I never get the bad guys." 

We're in a culture now as African American women, we feel like we're the last chosen. I look at Asian women, I think, those are the pretty dolls that everybody wants. Everybody wants an Asian woman. Which I think is a burden to be thought of like that of course. On the other side when you're put up on that pedestal and everybody wants you and they're going to take care of you that's different than being from a group of women where you feel like you're the last chosen all the time.

Emily: Yeah. I find that fascinating. Knowing how I grew up, like, "Why would they want me? Here I am, the Asian that nobody wanted." And now all of a sudden all these men...

Dr. Veronica: Everybody thinks you're hot.

Emily: Why didn't they think I was hot when I was growing up? Wayne Dyer famously said you will not attract what you want into your life, you will attract who you are. So if you're attracting the same losers over and over again it's because it's a reflection of who you feel you are on the inside. So if you don't think you're worthy that's the energy that gets transmitted. And if you're addicted to stuff you're going to attract another addict. If you're so used to watching your dad beat the heck out of your mom or vice versa then that's a familiar energy. So you're going to attract that energy because that little girl inside of you who has not been healed is attracted to the little boy inside of him that has not been healed, so it's familiar. 

The goal of a love relationship is for us to finish childhood. And that is why we are attracted to the people. There's one group of people that is attracted to the people with the positive and the negative qualities of the people that hurt us in the past. "Oh my gosh, no wonder I'm attracted to my father, or my mother, whatever," that's one group of people. And then another group of people is because they experience so much pain they end up attracting somebody's who's safe, who they don't go through the emotional ups and downs with. And they just live life more or less like roommates. 

So absolute joy and love relationship is not going to happen without absolute depth of pain. Because the pain when you're triggering each other, you can't get along. But there's a part of you that's like, "But why am I so magnetically attracted to him?" It's because he is reminding you of somebody from the past that you have unfinished business with. 

And when you recognize that and say, "Okay, he yelled at me for the way I emptied the dishwasher." I know this is not life or death but there was a part of him that reminded him of sloppily you emptied the dishwasher. Nothing is lined up directly in the cupboards. That's like a part of him that needs order and detail. And it's because it's a part of him from the past that is reminding him of the order and detail that mom used to have or whatever. Mom used to yell at him for not having things in order. So now he's trying to re-live that life through the partner and he's nitpicking on every little thing.

Dr. Veronica: Turn that around just a little bit because there are people who are watching where they've been through the trauma and they get it why they were attracted to that partner that's not serving them well now. But on the other side there's people who are in relationships that seem to be doing well and it seems to be working. What's going on there?

Emily: Relationships that seem to be working, you do have to eventually do... If you really want mind blowing, emotionally intimate relationships you have to work on yourself individually, and you have to work on couple relationship. Because you have to recognize that the stuff that pushes your buttons, the triggers, it's all a gift for you to grow intimately closer. And you have to recognize that when there's that angry edge that comes out it's not really anger towards you, it's really anger towards himself and towards somebody in the past. 

Maybe he's so angry at the fact that you don't keep things in a neat way. Because it's really residual anger and rage towards his mother for making him do things just so. And so it's that residual anger that's coming out when he's sees that you're not really behaving in the right way. 

When you recognize that that's where it's from this is when you... let's say you're the female partner, you could say, "Hey Dan, can this part of you that is so neurotic about order, can that part of you just chill out a little bit? I just need a little bit space here. What does it need from me in order for this part of you to relax?"

Essentially now there's three people in the conversation. It's yourself, the husband, and then the part of the husband that has his need for order. So you're not blaming him, you are saying this is this part of you that is showing up in this relationship. "Now, you're reminding me of my father the way he used to scold me of how sloppy I was." And it just goes back and forth.

When you both recognize it that is where the true healing can take place, to say, "Hey Dan, let me hold your hand. Just let this part of you know that I'm going to do my best to make it a little bit neater the next time. And if you could just relax. Nothing bad's going to happen if the dishes aren't quite stacked up in an orderly way."

And so that's when intimacy happens. And so you need a tool set to understand, you're going through the doorway for Dan, this part of him that is neurotic about order. You get to know this part of him. Sometimes he gets to know this part. You kind of separate out. Maybe you use a glass, maybe the image comes out as the soldier or whatever. 

We have these little sub personalities inside of our minds, of these parts of us that are kind of running our show, the voices inside of our head. And you have to separate out from that part and get to know the job of this part that's neurotic about order. What's its job? It's job is to make sure everything's in order. It's just job is to make sure that you are seen as somebody who's neat. It'll keep telling you the story. And you ask it, what is it afraid of if it doesn't do its job of keeping things in order? It's afraid that things are going to fall apart. It's afraid that people are going to judge you. It's afraid that you're going to get criticized. It's afraid that you're going to fail if things aren't in order.

And so you peel back the layers. And then once this part tells you its story of why it keeps in this neurotic state then it will show you then who's the vulnerable child inside of you that this part is protecting. He says, "It's that seven year old part of me that is just crying in the closet after mom yelled at me for not lining my books up in the right way."

Dr. Veronica: I get what you're saying, but there's all these buttons that have been pushed, starting from even before we're born. You're telling about things that were happening and you're parents and their thought process before you were even born. How do we incorporate that in to make it from a harming experience to a, this is one of the biggest blessings that I realized it is. 

I can see things. I'm intuitive and so things flash in and I understand them on a different level more now. I see things that happen when I was young and I realized, "That's why I'm not so happy with the way my body looks in this particular situation." You can know what that is. I've been made the way I am. I love me the way I am. But what do you do when there's the negative signals coming from all over the place.

And so as I'm saying, hey, you're saying, "People think I'm hot?" You were getting a signal that has been a positive signal. But for a lot of people they've been getting those negative signals. A lot of people that I work with they're overweight. And they're like, "I've always been a fat kid." And they had that negative story that's been going on and they still have it and the society at a whole is going to continue to have that picture. 

And so while you're healing from it, while you're getting back your health give us some keys to switching over into that positive wealth of how the healing begins. Because I know once people start embracing these issues the problems they've been dealing with including health problems, they start to heal and go away. And it's miraculous how all of a sudden, "Oh my god, it's easy for me to lose the weight right now," or whatever it is. "My gosh, my blood pressure is lower. My medicine's lower. My cholesterol's lower." That fear, anger, and sadness that they've been holding on as they let go, the health problems go away. But the society hasn't changed. The culture hasn't changed. How do people start to deal with what's going on in the negative out there that they feel is harming but let it go enough so they can heal themselves.

Emily: Yes. And so I started to talk about some of the steps of how you heal, getting to know this part. And so I'm going to describe the typical client that has the fat part. Anybody that's been through a weight struggle has this fat part of me that sabotages. And so maybe this is a good time to mention the gift that I'm going to give them.

Dr. Veronica: Oh please, yes.

Emily: If the audience goes to they could enter their email and get the whole protocol of how to get to know these parts of you that are holding you back. So this way you don't have to keep taking notes. And if we're going all over the place with our conversation you have a protocol to follow. 

A typical fat part story. I'm going to tell you a story of a 40-year old woman that I worked with. She had the same 15 pounds that she was gaining and losing over and over again. She was just disgusted. And she's like, "This is not giving me the energy to do what I need to do for the next step of my career because I'm so consumed with food." 

And so we got to know this fat part of her. And I said, "When did this fat part of you begin?" She separated out the fat part. It looked like a Michelin... Because we get images of these parts of us. And so she got this part of her that was talking to her, and she says, "Yeah, this part's telling me that it's been my life since third grade." "Okay, what's its job? Keep you fat, keep you..." Because she emotionally ate, and to soothe the emotional pain because it was afraid... it was the fat part. Let's call her Mary. If it didn't keep Mary far what is it afraid is going to happen to Mary if this fat part didn't keep her fat? It said that it's afraid that Mary was going to get teased and criticized. If she got attention from being thin and beautiful it's afraid that she was going to be judged.

And so eventually I said, "Okay. What happened in third grade that had you take on this fat part?" And it brought her to a memory in a third grade classroom when she was just frozen because she has beautiful red hair and she was amongst a sea of brunettes. And so she was constantly teased for her beautiful red hair not only by classmates but by her siblings. That part of her believed that it is not safe to shine because I will be teased.

As she grew older and older, every time she just didn't feel good about herself because this part was getting triggered. She just ate to numb out that pain. And she couldn't figure out why she would lose it. She would work so hard, "Let me go on this exercise plan, this diet plan." And then this fat part will come back and just self-sabotage the whole thing. 

Because the fat part's like, "You didn't get to know me. You don't even know why I keep you fat. You hate me. So the more you hate the part of you that holds you back the more it will be like, "Oh yeah, you hate me? Well guess what, I'm not going away. I'm going to keep coming back until you pay attention to me and hear my story. 

As she got to know the fears of this fat part, and this fat part said, "I'm protecting that third grade part of you that's still in the classroom being shamed and bullied for having red hear." She had to update this fat part to say, "You're holding me back. I'm 40 years old. I'm trying to feel good about myself so I could have the confidence and the courage to go for this next promotion because right now I don't feel good in my body. And the fat part was like, "Really, you're 40 years old now? You're no longer seven? And I'm holding you back? Oh, wow."

Dr. Veronica: Let me take it up just one notch because we all have our suffering that we go through and some people may be listening and saying, "She got teased because she has red hair." That ain't a big deal. That's really not a big deal. I was sexually abused. I was mentally and emotionally abused. And it continued for years, and years, and years. I went into a relationship and that relationship was abusive. And so red hair, that's easy. 

What do you say to those people who've been through really major challenges and difficulties a lot of times at the hands of people that they trusted? What do you say to people like that about...? It's hard to say, "I'm 40 and I got to let it go when it's just..." How do you let go of that to be able to shine and be the best you?

Emily: Yes. You can't just let go and just say, "Okay, I'm not that story anymore. You have to do the healing, especially for these incidences of sexual abuse, verbal abuse, these toxic things. That part of accessing that vulnerable child, that part of the journey, it would be irresponsible for me to say, "You could go and heal this yourself. 

You could get to know your fat part. A lot of sexually abused people also have a fat part because it's their insulation against further sexual abuse, which is very understandable. And I've worked many sexual abuse survivors. And so you have to go in through the door way of this protective mechanism, the parts of you that you don't like and that's why you got to get to another story. 

And so the sexual abuse part, people have been sexually abused, what I want to share with them is you can permanently get over the shame from being sexually abused. And your whole system has to give you permission through the guide of an expert. You can't do this on your own because you could do further damage to yourself. And if you try to do it on your own without the right tools, there's more and more protectors that are going to be erected to prevent you from actually going there.

And so the whole goal is to get the whole protective system... Think of the protective system as soldiers that are guarding the door to the dungeon that's filed with these pained and shamed parts of you. And so when they give the permission, okay, now that you could hear my story of why I keep you fat, why I keep you procrastinating, why I keep you angry. You hear the story and you get it. And we're ready to transform into a more positive parts. 

Let me show you the parts of you that we're protecting in the dungeon. And so they'll guide you. The highest self, all love for yourself, your highest self has the power to rescue that young part of you that's in the dungeon. And you, that young part of you will be looking at you, your 40-year old self. And that young part of you because she was abused. 

Nobody was there where she felt safe to tell the whole story. A lot of abusers, they keep all that to themselves. And so when this four year old girl that was abused can safely trust you, the highest self. She tells you her story. She tells you what happened to her. She tells you the burdens that she's been holding on to, burdens of worthlessness. "I'm not lovable. I'm not enough. I'm dirty." And let her flesh all of that out to you. 

And then you give her what she needed at that moment of trauma. And you pour all the love, I'll tell her it's not your fault your uncle abused you. He's broken and we have to forgive him. What counts is I love you. You are enough. And that's released as burden, that's like get it out of the body. And people hold it in certain phases. Maybe for sexually abused people they're holding it in their sexual organs and stuff where they're always clammed up when they're intimate with someone. 

Whatever it is the highest self can help this young four year old heart to release all the negative energies and the burns that she's been holding on to. And we could get that four year old part unstuck from the past. Let's get you out of that house, out of that bedroom, and let's go into my current home. And let's burn that house down. If she wanted to burn the house down you help her to burn the house down. 

And so as you're actually doing this, this is actually rewiring the memories at the cellular level. Untangling the trauma and then... it's called memory reconsolidation where now the new memory of when you think about this four year old part of you that's been abused, now you think about how your higher self just giving her love, and hugs, and say, "I love you. I got you." You're the one that you need in order to heal yourself.

Dr. Veronica: Emily, again, tell people where they can go to get stared with your type of techniques. And before we give that I just got to say to the audience, one thing that Emily said is about you can't do this yourself. Now, in our culture and society everybody's going to Dr. YouTube and getting a degree on the university of Google. 

And there's all kinds of "self-help books." But what people who are high performers know, who are in successful in life, who are healthy and happy is you have to have somebody who's an expert to show you the way. It's like when you drive a car. Somebody has to teach you how to drive that car. Would you get into a plane and pilot yourself after you've watched it on YouTube and read it on Google?

So reach out to get help. There are traditional doctors and therapists but how's that been working for you? And then there are people like Emily Filloramo and her main website, But Emily, tell us about where people can get your gift again.

Emily: will give you the protocol. And then if you want to also learn more after you look at this protocol I would recommend that they read my book, How to Permanently Erase Negative Self-Talk. People, they write me letters to say, "I cried during your book because so many of the stories hit home for me." I said, "The first step to change is awareness." And reading my book and understanding the whole landscape of the internal family system model of psychospiritual healing, you're going to understand, "Oh my god, it is not my fault after all that I'm stuck. It's not my fault that I am fat." 

Now, do I want to do something about it? That's a whole another phase of change. So sometimes people want to stay stuck in their negative stories because that means you don't have to answer to anything. You don't have to finally show up. And if that's what they choose to do it's their prerogative.

Dr. Veronica: That's where they are. And so we're talking about this for health reasons, why? Because it's just not about diet, exercise, and supplements. It's not just about diet, exercise, and supplements. It's about a lot more than that.

Emily: And what's interesting is when I was going through the training with internal family systems my teachers and professors were saying... since I used to work in the pharmaceutical industry, "Imagine if everybody healed themselves, came home to their true self and felt really good, and forgave everybody, you know what, we would not need the pharmaceutical industry. We would not need the diet industry. And all of this emotional burden stuff would be released. We don't need pills, we don't need diets because it's going to naturally heal our bodies. We will be taking many industries out of the water." 

That's how powerful this is. Not that we're going to bankrupt all of these industries in our lifetime because there's just so many layers to this. Because internal family systems is not a pharmaceutical pill that some rep can go and sell to you. 

Pills are the easy way to [Unintelligible 00:46:52]. "Okay, I have fibromyalgia, let me take this pill." Fibromyalgia is trying to tell you something. Cancer is trying to tell you something. It is a protector that's saying heal emotionally already. I think you and I both know epigenetics and all that stuff, 80% of diseases are caused by environmental things, things that happen to us, and it's not just genes. 

Dr. Veronica: It is not just genes.

Emily: You can't blame it on your genes. 

Dr. Veronica: Root cause of every illness and injury is a spiritual and emotional issue which triggers and goes along with those environmental, genetic, and lifestyle factors. But if you don't have the spiritual, emotional issue sitting there in the first place is not going to trigger even the genes. You got the breast cancer gene. You're going to get breast cancer because you have an issue. Live your heart chakra in that energy center. 

Emily: Exactly. If you ask most breast cancer patients why they got breast cancer, it's like, "Oh, I stayed in my marriage too long. It's the toxicity for my husband, that's fine. 

Emily: Baggage with my father... Your body's always talking to you and you got to do this virtual healing, and yes, spiritual healing is not a pill. And you have to find a practitioner that you resonate with. And so if traditional psychotherapy, self-help programs have not gotten you to the finish line it's because you haven't found the right modality. Traditional psychotherapy can get you stable but really move the needle. You got to do this "clean up duty" with internal family systems. 

Most of the people that are training internal family systems are psychotherapists, you could fine someone near you by going to You'll get that information or not, When you're down on my e-book. You go to that website to find somebody near you. They may even take your insurance. 

And then there's a bunch of us that are trained, that are not therapist that takes internal family systems way beyond psychotherapy to help people unleash extraordinary, to help people become better leaders. Exactly, and so this is how powerful this is because at its root this is spiritual cleaning. This is not psychotherapy. You got to rescue all of those parts of you that are still stuck in the past burned with the emotional pain of getting bullied at school, sexually abused being made fun of, or you felt like you didn't matter. All those parts are just still frozen and old memories. You got to go and rescue those parts and come into the present with you.

Because these parts of you now transform into something positive and they get on the same sheet of music. And they become a part of your inner team, an orchestra member that's actually playing along with you. Because you want to go from point A to point B, you want to make the world a better place, well, you got to get rid of this inner conflict that's up here. And when you fully believe in yourself, when you're madly in love with yourself that's when your vibration changes, and that's when you attract all the people and the opportunities that you need in order to launch yourself into greatness.

Dr. Veronica: Fabulous. And we're going to be able to close right there. Before we close with Emily Filloramo give us the gift website again. 

Emily: It's

Dr. Veronica:, and the book is How to Permanently Erase Negative Self-Talk: So You Can Be Extraordinary. Emily's other website is Thank you so much Emily.

Emily: Thank you so much Dr. Veronica for having me on.

Dr. Veronica: Hey everyone. I want to really thank you so much for listening to my new podcast, Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. I really enjoy helping others regain their health. So if this episode helps you, it can definitely help others. Do me a favor. Give us a five star review on iTunes to help me spread this message. 

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Nov 25, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Dr. Elizabeth Frates about Recovering Your Health and Preventing Another Stroke.

Are you overworked, overstressed or overweight? When Dr. Elizabeth Frates was 18 years old, her father suffered a heart attack and a stroke.  He was only 52 at the time.  This event sparked her interest in medicine and continued her passion for health, healing, and wellness. Now, she is the co-author of Life After Stroke, helps wellness groups for stroke survivors at Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital and is the faculty advisor for the Lifestyle Medicine Interest Group at Harvard Medical School.

In this episode, Dr. Frates takes us through an in-depth story behind her father's near death experience, testimonials from happy and healthy clients and how you can take the first step towards the best version of yourself. Listen to the end you’ll learn exactly what to look for when looking for a doctor to help you back on the road to recovery.


Dr. Veronica Anderson's Links


Recommended Book:

Dr. Frates: A john Hopkins Press Health Book -


Show Notes:


04:00 - Elizabeth's father near death experience

13:15 - How to take action on knowledge

14:00 - Becoming a C.O.A.C.H

18:00 - Bikini ready for summer

20:50 - Mind, body and spirit

22:00 - Health promoting emotions

24:00 - What are your priorities?

27:30 - Practice what your preach


Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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Female VO: Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives.

If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit for instant access. Here's your host, Dr. Veronica.

Dr. Veronica: Thank you for joining in for another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Today I am so lucky to have this lady on. She doesn't know how great she is. I already told her how great she is, but she doesn't even know how great she is but you're going to find out. 

This lady teaches at Harvard, yes she does. And she's teaching all kinds of people how to teach people how to be healthy. And so she's a teacher of the teacher. So you know somebody who is a teacher of the teacher is a master. And not only does she teach the teachers, she also has her own clients that she helps transform their lives.

I have with me Dr. Elizabeth Frates. Dr. Elizabeth Frates, a newly elected board member of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine. You're saying, "What is the American College of Lifestyle Medicine?" This is the area... Finally Harvard has said, and you know when Harvard says it it's right, right? 

Finally, we know that the way to get results in your body is through lifestyle changes. But why is there a whole college about it and conferences about it? Because people just don't know how to do it. It seems intuitive but a lot of it isn't. It's a field. 

And so I'm at Dr. Frates at the Institute for Functional Medicine and she was given a talk about how for us as practitioners to get our clients to exercise. And she was brilliant. She was hula hooping on the stage while she was giving her talk. She talked about how you get people creatively to move. And then I said I used to be able to hula hoop, let me go hula hoop. And I couldn't hula hoop. I was pissed. But you know me, I'm competitive. I got to figure out how to get it done. So I even got myself a hula hoop. Somebody told me, "Here's the problem. You got to have the right set of..." You don't have the right equipment. You don't have the right knowledge. You do not get results.

Let me introduce to you Dr. Elizabeth Frates, physician in physical rehabilitative medicine, teacher to the teachers, and master. Welcome to Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Frates: Thank you so much Dr. Veronica. I love being here. I love your energy. And I admire what you're doing. Every day all of your podcast, what you do for people to help them transform their lives and how you're able to do this virtually and hit millions of people. I saw somewhere a stat of 29 million people, which is...

Dr. Veronica: I've been all over the world. People find me from the other side of the earth and it's quite interesting. Because what people don't know how I started doing this, I was doing something completely different. I had left health care and people found me and pulled me back in because they figured that I was a doctor. And that's how I started coaching. I started doing it remotely.

Now, Dr. Frates, you have a very interesting story about how you started in this. And I want you to share that because everybody has that journey, that story. So how did you start in this area? What happened in your life?

Dr. Frates: Thank you for asking Dr. Veronica because it is the reason that I get up every day and I love going to work as the original seed for my calling in lifestyle medicine. It has to do with the patients, one particular patient actually, Donald. And that's his first name. It's not Donald Trump. He just happens to be Donald. Just clarification. 

I do want to tell you about Donald. When he was 52 years old he was overworked, overstressed, and overweight. Some of you might know someone like this. Some of you might be someone like this. A good man, loved his family and his clients. He was a financial adviser, Park Avenue in New York. He took over his dad's business and was a good son and a hard worker. And he dined almost exclusively on steak, French fries, quick fix hamburgers, chocolate cake, Oreos in the middle drawer of his office desk. Keeping them stashed.

And he used to be an amazing athlete. That was in high school. Now he was 53 when I'm telling you this story of his life. And at this time he did one form of exercise, just one. He used to be a baseball player, soccer player, basketball player, one thing, sprints. Imagine, sprints. But these are only on occasion and only at 11:07 PM, only time he did this sprint. And that's because he needed to catch the last train home from Grand Central Station. 

So if he looked at his clock and it said 11:05, he could finish a few things up, maybe grab an Oreo, and then race down Park Avenue to Grand Central Station to catch that last train home. And one of those sprints, he had a little pressure, a little pain. No pain, no gain. Forge forward. He can get through anything. This man can make it through any amount of pain. He will get the job done. He will get to his destination. He will meet his goal.

He got on the train. He made it just... He would cut often, report stories of getting in and the doors just closing in right after him. Well, he was happy to be on the train. By the end of the half hour train ride, his home station arrives and he feels as if there's an elephant resting on his chest now. Numbness and tingling down his left arm. Sweaty, diaphoretic, short of breath. This is very strange. He feels very uncomfortable. His wife was a school teacher and knows nothing about medicine. 

Picks him up at 11:39, which is the time the train would arrive, takes one look at him and says, "You need to go to the ER." He drives him there where he completes his massive myocardial infarction and right middle cerebral artery stroke. What's that? He had a heart attack and he had a stroke leaving him paralyzed on his left side.

That's the patient that inspires me every single day, basically. Pretty much every single day that one patient. I was 18 when that happened to Donald. And this is Donald Peg, my dad. That event is forever etched in my head because I love my dad. And he was the pillar of strength. And I was actually going to go into the family business. That was my plan. I'm the youngest of all Pegs. That's my maiden name, Peg. 

And all the other cousins they had their other things they were doing and I was very much like that. Hard worker, driven, and the youngest cousin I was going to take it over, until this. And I watched my dad, he didn't make a complete recovery. So he worked hard for in physical medicine and rehabilitation with PT's and OT's. 

The only thing that remained, fine motor movement of his left hand was not quite up to par. But you wouldn't notice unless you were his daughter or his physician. But more importantly he made a complete lifestyle change and this is back in the 80's. I watched this man change from the diet you've just heard to fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and fish. He never ate these things before. They weren't in our house. I wasn't eating them before, and I started having salads before every meal just like he did.

My mom was his kind of coach Dr. Veronica. I know you coach people. She isn't trained but she went with my dad to intensive lifestyle therapy programs. And she learned about healthy foods and cooking. She also learned about movement and she took it to heart. So not only did he change his diet he changed his pattern of living and moving. Meaning you got an exercise bike, stationary one that he was on one half hour, five days a week religiously. 

Yes, he would be watching some new show or something about the stock market but he was on that bike. He started working from 10 am to 10 pm each day, complete change. Spending more time with my mom, more time with me. My brother got married and had little kids, he was the best grandfather there ever was. And he kissed my mom. For the first time I saw him kiss my mom. That was when I was about 18-19 years old. I still see it. I see him coming towards my mom from behind and I see him leaning over her shoulder and kissing her on the cheek. 

And I remember my thinking, that's so great. He's expressing all that love and he's finally able to live the life that he wanted but I think just couldn't hold. He couldn't hold it because he was so trapped by do, do, do... 
"Make sure the company succeeds for your father. Keep going. Your clients are the most important. Forget you. You don't mean anything. You're fine. You're invincible. You're Donald Peg. You can do anything."

And watching this transformation, first of all I was so grateful that he was able to do this and he did live the best 27 years of his life after his heart attack and stroke. I'm still very close to him. In fact some of this work I feel like I'm doing with him. It's very was very strange. We didn't end up working together in the business, of finance, but I think ultimately in the end we're working together to help people avoid the health setbacks that he had and to help others achieve their optimal state of health and wellness.

This is why I'm so passionate. Since 18 I've been on my own wellness journey, trying different things, different types of foods, different types of movement. Maybe you've noticed something's a little strange about what I'm doing. But that's because I do try to practice what I preach Dr. Veronica. You know this with the hooping. I really try to practice what I preach. And I studied a lot Dr. Veronica about what the body needs so that it can function at its optimal state, optimal level and what the mind needs to achieve peace, and what the heart needs to feel joy. 

These are different things. Medicine really honed in for us, right Dr. Veronica on the body, what the body needs.

Dr. Veronica: Yeah, it did.

Dr. Frates: We didn't get too heavy into the mind, and the peaceful mind, it wasn't part of my training. Certainly the joyful heart, that really wasn't part of it. But I know that's your situation. I know that's what you do. You help all these viewers to understand, to live. Not just get the knowledge but you empower them through your coaching so that they can achieve these feelings of wellness and health. 

That's how my dad and I when we partnered... I joined him again but I just continue and I will find avenues to share the health. And I appreciate this avenue because it's not what I'm familiar with. I know you and I spoke together privately about, I've been teaching at Harvard at the medical school and at the extension school, the students. And I also teach physicians as you heard at the Institute of Functional Medicine at a conference. But I haven't had this avenue open to me until you contacted me. So I'm grateful to partner with you in this podcast ad hopefully share some maybe tidbits that will be useful to your viewers.

Dr. Veronica: Let's talk about some tidbits because you brought out a lot of nuggets that people can learn from. We're now in the age, back when your father had his massive event which could have killed him, he luckily had those events, lived, and really made the change. It really was the moment that made him change. But you and I see people every day who have these moments and they want to change but they just can't figure out how. They don't have a Mrs. Peg there. Is Mrs. Peg your mom?

Dr. Frates: That's right, very married.

Dr. Veronica: ...who has the background or the knowledge or the know-how to... There's a lot of Mrs. and Mr.'s out there that are supportive of the person that they're married to or in a relationship with. But now we have so much knowledge at the university of Google that people feel like I read it, I know it. Nothing's new under the earth but I'm not having success. 

What do you say about that to people? Because I make the point to people that nobody can do anything by themselves, so this is your problem right there. But people still aren't convinced. What do you say to people? Because people are trying hard. They're reading everything. The information's out there. They come in. They almost know more than we do. Almost but not quite.

Dr. Frates: You make so many good points. Francis Bacon, right, knowledge is power. University of Google, knowledge is power. We all go out and we try and get as much knowledge as possible. The thing that I'd learned is it's power but it's not powerful enough to instill lasting change. And so what do we need people to appreciate? 

Because you have the information as Dr. Veronica's saying. Does it mean you'll act on it? We want to know how to get going and how to act on it. There's power in numbers. Having support is important. Having a Mrs. Mary Peg for Donald is important. I think the first partner you need to partner up with though, yourself.

Here's the first partner. And I'm going to ask you to partner with the coach self that's inside of you, every one of you. Dr. Veronica is a coach and she knows how to coach. But guess what, all of you can bring out your own personal coach. How's this? 

I love these five words. Coach, curiosity, bring out your curious child-like self. Be open and non-judgmental with yourself and others. But I'm talking about now you're bringing the coach out of you to help you and talk to you from above. Appreciation for this moment, appreciate for actually being in this podcast, appreciation for Dr. Veronica to have the wherewithal to create these things for you all, appreciation that you had the time to sit and listen today, that you can sit and listen today. Appreciation for perhaps your mom, your dad, your grandmother, your best friend, your spouse, your dog. And then compassion, you've tried things perhaps and it hasn't worked. You've read everything in the internet and it hasn't actually helped yet. But compassion, compassion for yourself and where you are, compassion for others around you. And then H is honesty. Being honest with yourself. 

Are you the person you want to be? Are you following your own sense of purpose? If you line up your priorities on one side and then you line up the amount of time you're spending doing specific activities in your day, is it going to match? Are you spending the most time on the things that are most important to you? Do your priorities match your daily life? In most cases we find no. But you need to be honest with yourself about this.

When you bring this coach like person out of you we all one living inside ourselves. Each one of us has a coach-like individual that can be curious, open, appreciative, compassionate and honest. We can be those things, those human characteristics. 

Partnering with that coach in you, number one, is really, really important. And then if you can find a Dr. Veronica, or become part of a program where there is coach like person that can help you look at your motivators, why change, why adopt a healthy diet now? Why change your eating pattern now? Dr. Veronica could tell you. I could tell you. Dr. Google could tell you. But you need to verbalize why you want to make a change right now. 

For me I'm sure Dr. Veronica can tell you about her clients. I can just list one client who wanted to go to Florida and wear a bikini, and this was a 74-year old woman. I'm not talking about a teenager. That's true. That was her motivation. She was 74 and wanted to wear a bikini. Alright, I'll work with that. I want to get to an intrinsic motivator that was kind of extrinsic appearance motivator. But if that's going to lead her to, which it did, walking regularly, choosing fruits for dessert, filling her plate with vegetables, if that motivation to get on that into a bikini at 74 is her motivator to begin. 

And by the way, she was 200 pounds to start. I'm just trying to paint the picture for you. Then I'm fine with that if that's her motivation, because guess what eventually ended up happening. She started walking and loving it and feeling really good. And she started noticing her pants were fitting differently. She started noticing she was more nimble. She was more energetic. She started inviting friends on walks. She changed her diet because she wanted to fuel herself so she could walk farther. Then she started snowshoeing. We're here in New England. Then she started biking. Now this 74-year old woman has a bike rack behind her car so that she can take her bike and her friend's bikes out to trails. Now she just loves the feeling she gets after exercising. 

So the time comes she's supposed to go to Florida, to get to wear her bikini in Florida. She goes to Macy's, she tries on bikinis. She does. I wasn't there. She told me this story. She didn't like the way they looked so she was disappointed. She found a great one piece that she loved but she came to me saying she was very disappointed. I said, "Wait a minute, did you ever think you'd even put a bikini on 10 months ago?" She said, "Good point. No."

And then the whole point of the story is did she stop after going to Florida and prancing around in her special little one piece that she looked so good in? No, she didn't stop because she loved the feeling of exercise. And she loved the way she felt after she ate fish, broccoli, quinoa, versus when she used to eat five pieces of pizza. She didn't like that feeling.

Now, did she stop pizza altogether Dr. Veronica? Actually this woman did not. She had one piece a week because where she worked they would order pizzas. Why, I don't know. They would order pizzas on Thursday, and it was I guess pizza Thursday. Why don't we have kale and quinoa Thursday, Dr. Veronica? Why? We have pizza Thursday.

So she would instead use that as her treat. She would do one piece of pizza. What happened with her? A massive transformation in her mindset, in her movement, and in her heart. I think if we understand that it's the body, mind, and spirit, not just the body that needs healthy input like how we speak to ourselves, that's asking the coach to speak nicely to yourself. And don't you wonder sometimes, you say things to yourself that you would never say to another person, let alone a friend. You would never speak to a friend that way. Meanwhile you can tell yourself these terrible things.

It comes back to partnering with a coach. Because guess who's with you all the time? Yourself, right? I think the number one message is to bring out the coach in you, that curious, child-like, open, appreciative, look at this day. By the way it's a really cloudy day in New England but you know what, we need rain. We got a drought. So I am saying, "Great. Look it's cloudy. I hope it rains because that'll help the flowers. That'll help our water supply. That'll help us." 

Be appreciative for it. And then be compassionate and honest. I hope that helps. Does that help Dr. Veronica? Was that something you think might be useful?

Dr. Veronica: Absolutely. I love it. You've talked about appreciation and you're showing appreciation. I term that gratitude and I like to talk to people and tell them about the health harming emotions and the health promoting emotions. And that fear, anger, sadness... Your self-talk of fear, anger, and sadness to yourself about yourself is harming your health. The love, the joy, and the gratitude changes your physiology. And we now know that. We have research on that. 

This is why lifestyle medicine is so important. We talk of lifestyle medicine, this goes back to physicians take the Hippocratic Oath. Hippocrates said let your food be your medicine. Medicine is food, food is medicine. We take the Hippocratic Oath. Yet traditional mainstream American medicine has become just the opposite. And in fact we like to talk about doctors who promote using food as medicine. And we want to call them quacks. 

I'm trained now in homeopathy. And Hahnemann, there's a medical school named after him in Philadelphia. They actually changed the medical school name to Drexel now. But Hahnemann, father of homeopathy named homeopathy and allopathy. He named what everybody does today. It meant we're going to do it this way, homeopathy, and drugs, allopathy.

We have come so far away, now we have to turn back around and realize that what we left, what was happening centuries and centuries ago, what was in Hippocrates, what was in ancient China and ancient India, a lot of that, which has to do with the mind and the spirit not just the physical is extremely important.

I also want to bring out something else that you sad about what are your priorities and how much time do you spend with those particular priorities? Is health your priority? This is a Wednesday when we're making this recording. People don't know when they see it. They see it when they happen to come upon it. Wednesday is my work out Wednesday. That's my day. I go to the gym. It's my endurance two hour workout. I spent from 5:45 to 7:45 in the gym working out hard.

Dr. Frates: Look at that glow she has. Just everybody look at her glow, that's from working out. Do you see that glow? That's a glow.

Dr. Veronica: Yes. And then I came home. I made my bone broth. I made my cranberry drink. I made my protein smoothie. I start my day, after I say hello to my dogs, working out and bringing in the right nutritional things to make sure I'm taking my supplements because it's the most important. Me is the more important.

And so, what got me here wasn't just me alone. I had to get to the point where I decided me was important. But I also have a good friend and she's a Dr. Veronica too. And the other Dr. Veronica is a chiropractor. And she got me on the path of understanding about homeopathy because I went to medical school, she used to use these little substances on me and I said, "How did you get that to work?" I don't have any side effects. It happened so fast. How come I never learned about it? I got pissed.

You know what doctors do, we're all competitive about this. I went and got trained instead of "how come nobody knows about this?" It's so easy. People call you a quack here. In France you get a degree from the Ministry of Health when you get trained in homeopathy. Here people say that you're a quack. Yet it works so nicely in the right circumstance. 

You have to keep your mind open. Understand, I have gratitude for people like Dr. Frates who I go to meetings, I meet them, and they say, "Sure, I’ll come on. I'd love to. I have gratitude for that because I always learned something. But it means that I can have your energy and my energy together to come out and help people make the decision that they can do it and they can change.

Dr. Frates, she's up there at Frates, I want you to know how to find her. Because if you want to go to Harvard and you want to get trained in how to teach other people, or you want to get some advice about your own health, is where you find Dr. Frates. She's got all the paper on her wall.

I got paper on the wall in a different way. I've got all the degrees and all that stuff that you're supposed to have. But I'm here because I'm not going to be the person to help everybody. Here you have it, Dr. Elizabeth Frates on the board of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine. How about that, on the board. 

I'm sitting on her exercise ball. Let me just ask people this. Audience, is your doctor practicing what they're preaching? If they tell you lose weight or go exercise are they doing it? Do they look how you want to look? If they can't a result for themselves they're not going to get a result for you. If they can't get a result for themselves they have to understand they don't have the knowledge and go to another doctor. 

Dr. Veronica, I didn't have all the knowledge. I go to my chiropractor, I go to my physical therapist. I got my trainer. I go to conferences where I'm able to collaborate with the Dr. Frates of the world to figure out how can I do it better for me. Because if I can do i better for me I can teach you how to do it better.

So Dr. Frates, thank you for doing what you do. You are wonderful. This a role model for women and women physicians on the way to do what's passionate for you. You hear where that comes from, from watching her father almost die. And a lot of us, people out there, if you're on a health journey it's not just about you. There people around you who love you. It's not just about you. Get out of your selfishness and realize that you are responsible to all those people around you. Even if your kids are grown, they love you, they want you to be around. And they suffer when they watch you doing things.

I'm an eye surgeon. I watch my grandmother go blind. Do  you understand how my grandmother sacrificed and went blind so that I would do what I do today. Because I know it's preventable. Preventable blindness. She went blind from diabetes. That is preventable diet blindness.

Dr. Frates, she talks about exercise prescriptions. I give people exercise prescriptions. I tell them how to do it. They have to report back to me. I put it little tiny bikes so that they can be successful. And even before I give them the exercise prescription now because they start feeling good on their program they start it themselves because they know they should be doing. Dr. Frates, thank you so much for being on Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Frates: Thank you Dr. Veronica and thank you everyone for listening.

Dr. Veronica: Hey everyone. I want to really thank you so much for listening to my new podcast, Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. I really enjoy helping others regain their health. So if this episode helps you, it can definitely help others. Do me a favor. Give us a five star review on iTunes to help me spread this message. 

And because I really appreciate your help so much I will be giving away a $25 Amazon gift card each week to a random individual. Check the show notes of this episode for the details on how to win. Thank you so much. Take care.

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Nov 24, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Roy Nelson on Overcoming Your Food Addiction and Embracing Your Spirituality.

Have you been struggling with addiction? Have you tried everything, with no results? Over thirty-five years ago Roy Nelson “cracked the code” of his own addictive personality. As a result, he lost 120 pounds and overcome a myriad of addictions, as well as depression, panic attacks, and phobias. He developed The Nelson Method - a plan of spiritual mentorship that is designed to help people overcome their own personal hell, even when all other approaches have failed.

In this episode, Roy will share his near-death experience, how he learned to master his own emotional addiction and the three main components to addiction. He will help you refine your spirituality by encouraging you to ask yourself questions like “Are you living” or “Are you really Addicted”. Listen to the end to determine if Roy’s 28 day health restoration right for you.


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Show Notes:

07:40 - Roy’s near death experience at birth

12:00 - Three components to addiction

14:00 - Religious insanity

24:45 - How are you living?

26:00 - Pain is motivation

29:30 - Admitting to addiction

31:10 - Are you really addicted?

34:00 - Restoring your health in 28 days


Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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Female VO: Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives.

If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit for instant access. Here's your host, Dr. Veronica.

Dr. Veronica: Hi, I'm Dr. Veronica. Welcome to another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. I'm really excited today about the guest that I have. There's going to be a lot of people who connect with this story. So holistically we understand that I'm a medical doctor and also a medical intuitive. And I work with people with holistic health coaching. So what's the issue that I get with a lot of people? I don't accept everybody. I want to make sure you're going to be successful when you enter the program to get your life together. 

So if there's something that's holding you back, that makes you not appropriate for my particular type of program. And there a lot of doctors who do functional wellness who can help you. Usually it's those people who have addictions. 

And one of the hardest addictions that I found to deal with is food addiction. So people never think they're addicted to food. Drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, you name it. But most of the time people don't want to admit that they have a food addiction.

Food addictions can be harder to treat than getting somebody off of methamphetamine, ice, heroin, and all the nine yards. You know why? Because you just can't go cold turkey with food. You got to eat. And so that's what makes it even more difficult. However, for those of you who are addicted to food there is hope. 

And you're going to say, "How do I know I'm addicted to food?" I get people to come to me. They tell me they're emotional eaters. I had a lady I interviewed earlier in the week for my program. She said, "I eat when I'm sad. I eat when I'm happy. I eat when I'm happy. I eat more when I'm sad. I use food as my comfort all of the time for everything. I've had this happen in my life and I eat. I have that happen in my life, I eat." "How much weight have you gained? How much overweight are you?" "About 130 pounds. Most people underestimate, I'm about 130 pounds overweight." "Have you ever tried anything? What have you tried and how long have you tried it?" "I've cut back on soda. I've cut back on carbs." "How long did that last?" "Well, not a long time. I'm not good at it." "What have you done that you feel has been successful?" "I did a tea fast for two weeks." "Two weeks, huh. How much weight did you lose?" "About 15 pounds." "How long did it take you to gain it back?" Well, the answer comes. "Not only did I gain it back, I gained back more." 

I have with me, who you're also looking at his beautiful bald head. He looks like a monk, Roy Nelson. Roy Nelson has a great book. He's the author of Love Notes from Hell. I'm going to give you upfront what his website is just because I want to say it several times, Because he helps people get out of this food addictions. When everything else has failed Roy succeeds. 

So of course I'm bringing people to you who if you say, "Dr. Veronica I really want to help, and I know I'm a food addict, help me." We're actually going to give you a little quiz that you can take later on to figure out if you are a food addict. I want you to be able to find somebody like Roy Nelson.

Roy, I met him at... You guys know I always travel around different events. I met his wife way before I met him. I met his wife and we met probably on the first day of an event. And Trisha comes up to me and we were chit chatting and talking. We're very similar personalities at this point in life I would say because I know Trisha had her own journey. And she said, "You really have to meet my husband. I want you to meet my husband." I had no idea why she was telling me this. 

I told people I do podcasts. I'm looking for people to help my clients or people that I can't help. "You got to meet my husband." And so I don't even know if... Roy, did we actually meet? We might have said hello briefly but I don't even know if we actually met each other at the event. Did we?

Roy: No. I was only there for the evening.

Dr. Veronica: So we didn't meet because he just walked through for a few hours. I saw him from a distance. We never got to say hello but I got his book from Trisha and I started reading it. It was fascinating. I said, "I got to get this guy on the show." 

Roy is the last resort guy. He has a special method, the Nelson method. You know he had to name it because other people can't get results when you cease doing something different. And if you don't get results, you keep doing the same thing; you got to do something different. Roy, I thank you so much for being on Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Welcome.

Roy: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate for letting me be here. And hello to everybody. Thank you.

Dr. Veronica: Roy, tell us a little bit about your journey. I know this is in your book Love Notes from Hell. And that sounds like, "Oh my god, do I really want to read a book about love notes from hell?" First, how did you come up with the title for that book?

Roy: Well, it's so interesting how I came together. People have been telling me for decades that I should write a book and finally I hired a branding lady who demanded a book. And then actually the gentleman she put together for branding me came up with a title and it seems very fitting. I don't know that I would've come up with it that way. 

Same way with the picture on the front, they did an all-day photo shoot and they get a picture of me. And the one they got me when I was slouching in the morning, waiting for them to get the lights ready. So he's been practicing and just clicking pictures. And the one they wanted was the one that was shot before it ever started to shoot. I don't pose very well but when I'm off guard that's how they caught me.

Dr. Veronica: Oh yeah. I've done photo shoots so I know how that works. And I pick some of the pictures that were mistakes.

Roy: Yeah.

Dr. Veronica: "Oh my gosh, this is really an iconic picture. And they're the ones that the camera was... I have one that's a silhouette picture and it came out that way in the dark because [Unintelligible 00:07:33]. Anyway, they picked the book. The content of the book made the branding person say, "Oh my god, this was hell." Tell us a little bit about your background.

Roy: Well, the way I put it is I almost died at birth and then it went downhill from there, just to give you an idea. Actually I did almost suffocate at birth. Back in the day when I was born I was born at home and then the doctor wasn't there. The midwife was there. The doctor finally showed up but the umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck and I was choking and I turned blue and all that stuff. 

But I would tell you in that course I grew up in a violent poverty stricken alcoholic home and a violent place where I lived and growing up. My whole childhood was I was in constant fear of physical harm. And consequently I've been afraid my entire life. That's the hell, the fear. That's really living in fear is hell. 

Of course I always come into violence and everything that goes with it, even at home and on the way in the neighborhood, on the way to school, on the way home from school, at school, everything was really... I was in over my head from the very beginning. 

From the beginning the first addiction for all of us is fantasy. When the here and now is so painful sweet spirit gives us the capacity to get there and then. So that's the fantasy that we have. And then of course early childhood sexual experiences cause us to be obsessed with sex and of course all that goes with that. And then of course and which many emotional eaters, people with eating disorders have early childhood sexual experiences. 

Dr. Veronica: When you say early for you what age is early?

Roy: Oh, very young. 

Dr. Veronica: Below 10?

Roy: Oh yes, absolutely.

Dr. Veronica: Okay.

Roy: But all things worked together for good. This is really a condition that can ultimately cause you to become better than you ever would've been if you haven't had it. So it's actually all a blessing. Everything that happened... What seemed bad at the time turned out to be a good thing. It's all in divine order.

I added cigarettes when I was about 12 and then of course I worked from the time as a little kid. I always tried to make money because we were very poor. And then I left home when I was 14. I always worked with older people because I was a kid and I was working with adults. The men I worked with, ever grown men, and the women I was working with, the first women I worked with were in their 30's and I was 15, whatever. I'm just saying, I was always in over my head.

Went away to the army the day I was 17 and was married when I was 20. And then I married a woman who had a child and a year and a half later we had a child. We had twins. And about a year later, before I was 23 I was a father of four. Way in over my head always.

I was a sergeant in the army which I wasn't emotionally equipped for any of it because I've been medicating my emotions from the beginning. Although a lot of times we do a good job when we're shut down emotionally, we get the job done. 

Ultimately I got out of the army when I was 24 years old and of course I had a family and I had no money. Then it was about making money. The first year was tough but then after that I found something I can do. It paid very well. Then it was about acquiring stuff. A big house at the country club section and new luxury cars, and one thing and another. By the time I was 28 years old I was making rounds to the psychiatrist for panic attacks, phobias, and all that stuff.

It's all a process. I did the doctor rounds for about four and a half years and finally turned to the spiritual. When nothing else worked I finally... And I would've done anything to get heat from having a go on a spiritual basis because that's so much religious insanity in my childhood which goes along with all that other stuff that goes with it. That was the nightmare.

Anyway, I hit bottom when I was 32 and I was morbidly obese and completely dependent on alcohol. I had a bag of pills. I didn't like pills. It was the time I used to hire a doctor or registered nurse to travel with me so they could get me IV's of valium or sodium pentothal if the terror got too bad. I drove big cars, smoked cigarettes, chased fast women. Basically I was a relief seeking missile if you get the picture. Ultimately I spent my life running from pain and chasing pleasure.

Dr. Veronica: Okay.

Roy: The pain I created in the process of trying to run from the pain turned out to be more painful than the pain I was running from.

Dr. Veronica: Are you talking your pain as in all the addictive behaviors that you would've accumulated over the years or was there another type of pain?

Roy: Every addiction is a symptom. Addictions are symptoms they're not the problem. People think they are and that's why alcoholics think alcohol's their problem, food addicts think food's their problem, and sex addicts think sex is their problem, but it's not. 

Every addiction has three components, it's a pain killer, it's a form of escape, it's a form of punishment. I have the pain inside because I was a very sensitive, terrified person, and I buried a lot of pain. And the thing is when you bury it that way you bury it alive and it's in there festering. And then you have to have the pain killer. As long as I had the pain I would to have a pain killer. 

And there's many different things that we use to try and cope with that pain. As long as I had the fear of my feelings I would always be running, I would always be looking for escape. And as long I had the guilt, the remorse, and the self-hatred I would always require punishment. 

So what I'm about is helping people feel safe enough to deal with their pain, deal with their fear, deal with their guilt, remorse, and self-hatred so that they don't need the pain killer, they don't need escape, they don't need punishment.

Dr. Veronica: I want to back up a little bit because you said something really interesting. Challenging for people to swallow, you talked about religious insanity, religiosity. Talk a little bit about that because a lot of people are hyper religious. If you say anything what they consider negative against religion or anything in that realm they'll say, "Oh no, you're horrible. You're talking against God." Talk about that religious insanity. I can tell you I understand what you mean by it but other people who are on particular religious pathways that may not sit well with them.

Roy: That's fine. The important thing to understand is that God is love. And when we abide in love we abide in God, and God in us. Everything that isn't love isn't God. 

Dr. Veronica: Okay, I agree with that. What happened in your childhood specifically that you say religious insanity that was problematic, that is not God is love, and that you see in people who are addicts?

Roy: Well, the important thing to understand is not what we believe intellectually that matters. As the famous Carpenter had to say as we believe in our heart. As a man thinks in his heart so is he...

Dr. Veronica: E'er shall he go.

Roy: The important thing to understand is that most of what's driving people is in their subconscious mind. First off I personally believe I brought baggage with me from previous lives. But if that's too crazy or too scary for people that's okay. [Unintelligible 00:17:01] that. No worries. Throw that out the window. 

I think we would all agree that from conception we're gathering data. We have no filter, no discerning capability, and nobody intentionally poisoned me with faulty data. But the data they had that's the only thing they could give me. And the other thing is there's a lot of things that we took on into our master computer, the subconscious mind. A lot of beliefs and ideas that we took on weren't actually sad. They were implied, with the impression we got was that what they meant. It has nothing to do with whatever anybody did to us. We'd go through lying and pointing the finger to somebody else but we're never going to get better that way.

But the important thing to understand is we're gathering data and we have a lot of faulty data going into our master computer. And based on that data we formulate our core beliefs that as our ideas about God, about ourselves, about other people, about everything, about our lives. 

Based on our core beliefs we formulate our philosophy for living. That is our way of navigating our way through this hostile world we perceive ourselves to be in. Based on the faulty philosophy, faulty beliefs, faulty data we build a life that requires us to use something to cope with it. Basically that's what addictions are, they're coping mechanisms. 

The addiction isn't the problem, the addiction is what I used to try to cope with the problem. The problem is the tornado going on inside. And so I call it religious insanity. And the other thing is that most of the people who have eating disorders are terrified of their sexuality. I call it religious insanity manifested as sexual insanity. 

Dr. Veronica: What does that look like? For people who are saying "Is this me?" what does that look like through outside or how do you know that that's you, religious insanity with sexual insanity going on too?

Roy: It's one and the same. Because the primary thing that the religion teaches is that your sexuality is bad. And how far from the truth could that be. Essentially what its saying is take your second strongest God-given instinct. First instinct is for survival. Breathing air, drinking water, eating food, having shelter, being protected. The second strongest God-given instinct is survival of the race. That means pro-creation, that means sex. Essentially the message that I got was take your second strongest God-given instinct, bury it alive, pretend you don't have it and you'd be happy. How insane could that be? 

Dr. Veronica: I'm agreeing with you. I've seen all these issues...

Roy: Of course you have.

Dr. Veronica: To the point where I've walked away from religion because I refuse to be part of organizations that tell me that I'm bad.

Roy: Absolutely. 

Dr. Veronica: ...own and wouldn't accept it, no I'm not a sinner. And so of course when people who are like me say that they call you rebellious and Jezebel and all these other names. You have a strong personality to reject that because we all want to be part of our tribe. And so by rejecting religion a lot of times people say you're rejecting being part of the tribe. And so you're afraid that if you reject those tenets that you're going to be kicked out of the tribe and you're not willing to be kicked out of the tribe.

Roy: That's fine. But the important thing to understand, once again a famous carpenter he said, "The Father is within me." And that's where the spirit is, is deep within our hearts. And so for any addict or emotional eater, food addict, whatever it is, the problem is deep within. The solution is deeper within. Sweet spirit deep within you. 

The essence of you and your... not you particularly Dr. Veronica but all of us of course, but I'm talking to your crew, your people out there. The essence of all of us is spirit. And what I'm about is helping people feel safe enough to face these things within themselves that are blocking them from the sweet spirit that's deep within them that can heal them. I don't heal anybody. I don't think any human being heals anybody.

Dr. Veronica: That's correct.

Roy: What we could do is help them to align themselves with the sweet spirit within themselves that does the healing. I'm really along for the ride. I'm about helping people feel safe enough to go within. And that's what happens when people come to me, and I have people come from all over the world. It's amazing how they find me with everything that goes on. The last one recently, a dear lady friend doctor, a friend of mine featured my book on her book club and some lady in Abu Dhabi read it and came in to see me. It's beautiful how it works and now...

Dr. Veronica: I hope these podcast reaches people. The purpose of doing this is ultimately yes I'm a healthcare practitioner. I'm an intuitive. I come across a lot of people who I know that their issue is very... All illnesses and injuries have a root cause that's emotional and spiritual, all of them, every single one. You don't just get something. 

And so it's interesting because I will talk about this, I had talked about my intuitive abilities and people say, "We can't deal with you because we don't believe in that. We don't want to talk about that." I'm like, "Okay, that's somebody I can't work with because they don't understand what holistic really means, that they're mind, body, spirit. That means that we have to work on all those levels. If you're not willing to open up and work on that level that's out of my core genius area. That's why I'm bringing you on and other people like you who have strategies to work particularly on that.

But those people who haven't realized that their illnesses and injuries are their biggest sole challenges. They're challenges to your soul. You're here to learn something. They're not going to heal from it. 

Roy: I'm totally on board with that.

Dr. Veronica: Your book shows like this, somebody's going to listen to this and watch this, and it's going to resonate with them. And they're going to be happy that a doctor said, "Listen, you don't get your spiritual self together ain't no medicine, no food, no nutrition plan, no supplement, no hormone testing, no adrenal this, no thyroid that is going to help you."

Roy: That's so true. The thing is my experience is everything on the outside is there to help me to refine on the inside. That's why I believe that's why we're here on this level of existence. This is not to realize. We're temporarily human but we're essentially spirit. But we have opportunities for refining here for growth and development here that we wouldn't have on a purely ethereal level.

Dr. Veronica: Doggy wants to come in. We're listening.

Roy: Hey, hi.

Dr. Veronica: People enjoy seeing that on the film so that's why I let him make an appearance.

Roy: Absolutely. But one thing I will say, it's often times easier to help somebody who thinks they don't believe in God than it is to try to help somebody who thinks they do.

Dr. Veronica: Interesting. Explain that more.

Roy: Well, because oftentimes people who believe they believe in God have a lot of pride around their beliefs. And that pride can keep them from... In other words when you think you know everything then you can't learn. And in my experience this whole process is about unlearning. 

And I have people who come to me who are very religious, in fact one woman in particular you can watch her videos on my website. I want to make sure people understand I don't broadcast who I work with, but some of the people who I've worked with want to be part of my outreach and they volunteer to do video on my website. So please understand, I'm not going to plaster your name out there if you work with me.

One woman's very religious, actually many people who come are very religious. But the thing is I always just say to people look at the pudding. Check the pudding. Because the proof is always in the pudding. Bottom line how's it working. 

The other thing is too Dr. Veronica, I think you understand, I know you hear what I'm saying here. The only thing any of us have to do is ask [No audio 00:26:55] how am I living, what am I believing, what am I doing, what's it costing me?

Dr. Veronica: In other words how's that working for you.

Roy: Well, what's it getting me, what's it costing me, and is that okay. Because we all pay a price. Everybody on this earth pays a price for how they live. We get certain perceived benefits but pay a certain price. You live at Bucks County, you get some perks, you get some benefits, pay a price. Live in Manhattan, get some benefits, pay a price. Everybody in between pays a price. Who's to say for somebody else if that price is okay. Each person has to ask themselves is that okay. And there's no wrong answer.

Dr. Veronica: That sounds like you reap what you sow.

Roy: Absolutely. And there's no wrong answer, because the nature of evolution is evolve we must. And there's no time limit on eternity, right? The universe loves u so much it'll allow us to hurt as long as we need to hurt.

Dr. Veronica: It's true. We all keep banging our heads on the wall in certain areas until we get it right.

Roy: Yeah. And again I was morbidly obese for a number of years. And I deluded myself that it was okay. But what started me toward having to do something about it was panic attacks and all of this stuff. When you bury your emotion, it's like when you bury anything, it's like a volcano the more you press it down the more it wants to explode. And that's what eventually happens.

Not everybody gets to that place. Many people who are morbidly obese that'll end, what's the roll call, the lives of quiet desperation. They just settle in and that's fine. There's no wrong answer. That's probably what I would've done if I hadn't had the panic attacks and the crippling depression, phobias, anxiety, and all the stuff that went with it.

But some people have it so buried, their feelings are so buried that they don't have those things. There's no wrong answer. Each person has to decide for themselves because there's a price for getting better. You have to go through hell to get to heaven, right?

Dr. Veronica: Yes. I believe that we live in the dichotomies. So you have to know down to know up. You have to know black to know white. You have to know good to know bad. You have to have both experience for comparison purposes because that's just the way the human mind works.

Roy: Absolutely. And that's why I would never try to convince anybody that working with me is the thing to do. There's an opportunity here for total freedom. My experience is people come to me usually when the first or second day all their addictions fall away. And if they're overweight they start losing weight effortlessly and which is my only hope because I don't have the power to resist temptation. If I want to eat it I don't have the power not to eat it. My only hope is sweet spirit will remove my desire for those things that aren't good for me and for amount of things that aren't good for me. Because in and of myself I don't have that power. That's my only spirit. 

That's what I'm talking people is having people start to experience that sweet spirit. People come here they're hating their momma. They come here they're here for a few days and start loving their momma. They got all this stuff inside it's hard for people to be able to see themselves as they actually are on their own. Nobody can do this alone.

Dr. Veronica: Yes. You can't do it alone. Please understand, there's no such thing as self-help. You have to have somebody to help you. You need a mentor, a coach, somebody who's going to guide you who's outside that box. I tell people that all the time. Because they want to stay home and they want to read books and watch... I say people are going to the university of Google and good friend with Dr. YouTube. 

This is part of learning. But then you have to know what you don't know and then get to that point where it's so painful, it's so bad that you're going to reach out. But not only just reach out, you're going to do something. You're going implement. Tell me a little bit more. Because your book has chapters on all the different addictions. Are they all different? Why do you break it down like that?

Roy: Well, it's to help people to identify. First off no addict wants to know they're an addict. Nobody wants to think they're an addict. I had so many addictions I didn't think I had any. And the thing is it doesn't matter. Frankly if a person doesn't have an addiction that's fine too. All God's children got problems. It doesn't matter...

Dr. Veronica: In one form or another, yes.

Roy: It doesn't matter what the manifestation is, there's only one problem and there's only one solution. The problem is always this perception of being separate from God. You can't even be separate from God. God and you are one but if you perceive yourself to be separate, you think you are, you act like you are, you feel like you are, for all intents and purposes you are even though you aren't. There's one problem, there's one solution. 

The one solution is the conscious contact, the sweet spirit deep within. And that's what I'm about helping people contact. And that's the only thing that can heal them. That's the only thing that can remove the obsession, the compulsion to overeat or to hurt themselves with anything. And there's never just one thing. It's a myriad of things that people use. Because it kind of goes with the territory. In other words if you got one you've got a lot of other things going on at the same time. Often times we'll use one thing to keep the other thing down.

Dr. Veronica: Let's talk a little bit more about your definition of addiction. You put it in there so people can start to identify... There's commonalities. Some people are going to say, "Am I addict or not?" Are there are a few characteristics that you can tell people that if you're having this or that. You got to give them a symptom. Because we're talking very high hyperbole and all this other type of stuff that people say. Let's get down to it. 

"Roy, Dr. Veronica, how do I know if I'm really addicted? Tell me what I need to do." Because we're very reductionist here. We want to know. I want the checklist. I want the test. So here are a couple of the things.

Roy: Do you deal primarily with people with their eating? Is that what you deal with primarily?

Dr. Veronica: People come to me a lot of times because they're concerned about their weight. They're concerned about... Sometimes they'll come because they're concerned about belly fat. But a lot of times it'll be my thyroid's bothering me. My digestion's bothering me. I'm concerned that my hormones are out of balance. 

Roy: First off we have doctors including you of course that we refer people to for their hormones, or they thyroid, or their adrenals. I don't practice medicine as such. And we have a lot of good doctors including yourself that we refer people to along those lines. But generally speaking overweight is a symptom of overeating. And overeating is a symptom of what's eating you. That's what we're dealing with is what's eating you. 

There's no way on earth that I could abstain from all that I need to abstain from except the grace of God would remove my desire for those things, my need, my requirement for those things. There's nothing I can do. And certainly we know estrogen causes belly fat and we know thyroid and stuff like that. There's issues but those are generally excuses that people use when they don't want to face their real problems.

I take thyroid medication and I take stuff for my adrenals. I'm not saying that those things aren't real. I take things for my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying those things aren't real, they are. But none of those are going to keep me from destroying myself with excess food. Only God can do that, and only I can let it. And I'm about helping people let. Because only god can do it. And only that person can let God do it for them. 

And I'm helping them get themselves out of the way so that the sweet spirit... When I say God I'm not talking about the bearded man in the sky with a clipboard. I'm talking about the sweet spirit deep within. That's where we have to go, deep within.

Dr. Veronica: Now you said in a couple of days usually people start changing. I know you have a 28-day program. People say, "If I can get it in two days, yeah, that's it." Why 28 days?

Roy: That's precisely why we do the 28-day program because the thing is people often think overeating is their problem. And so when they come to me and when they stop overeating they think they're cured. And you and I know that's not true. 

Dr. Veronica: No.

Roy: That's not true because we have to deal with the underlying causes that caused us to have to overeat in the first place. And that's a lifetime. That's not a 28-day program. I only said 28-day program because that's the call that most of us... people who want immediate results that most people can get their head around. People come here, "I don't know if I can do 28 days." And then they're in the 3rd week and say, "Roy, you're never going to kick me out after 28 days, right?" 

Dr. Veronica: Wow.

Roy: I do a 28-day program but I work with them longer if they have a good attitude and want to keep going and want to keep growing and developing. It would start with a 28-day face-to-face and go from there. They don't live here. If they come here from out of town we have them arranged for local housing. Of course some people come here from local. 

Whatever it is it's always lifted. It's just a matter of being willing to let me into their heart so that they can feel safe when people come here with a big wall of fear around their heart. And what I'm about is I'm putting up a big wall of love around their heart so they can gradually lower that wall of fear. So that all that stuff that's inside that needs to be addressed come tumbling out. And then we can sort it out. It's a process and it's absolutely amazing.

Dr. Veronica: You know what I find amazing, you're doing it from a different way. How I work with people, we talk a lot, something about the emotional things that are going on in people's lives and I challenge them a lot. I'm the tough love person. I just think it's amazing how many of them have spiritual revelations.

Roy: That's what happens. Exactly.

Dr. Veronica: I'm hitting at them from a physical side but they have a spiritual revelation and it's beautiful because I say to them, "I'm so happy to see that you're happy now. Because when you came and you first sat down with me and you were having a really hard time making a decision to make the investment of time and your finances. You were so miserable. I saw you hear crying. I knew I could help you but I know that you had to make that decision. I'm so happy because we've been working together for three, four weeks, and you're such a different person now." And they say, "I know it."

It's amazing. I'm not quite sure where it is. I work with people and I always mention these spiritual... I know when people work with me. I'm going to mention those spiritual and emotional pieces. They start to have it on their own. Once they make the decision to make the commitment, and they start on the pathway. 

Or maybe it's because they understand that I'm open to listening in a different way and giving them the type of emotional and spiritual feedback. It's a beautiful thing I got to tell you. Because I have the people who they'll do testimonials for me and they just look so happy. And that's not even everything they can say that's good. 

Roy: You happen to feel same enough to start feeling things that they were previously afraid to feel.

Dr. Veronica: Those are the people who do the best and that have the revelations like that. I'm thinking of people that I know who haven't had the revelation yet. Of course my phone's going to ring in the middle of it. Those people don't have the revelation, those are the people who quit or they just don't get where they want to go.

Roy: I understand that.

Dr. Veronica: Your website is Is that where people can go to find you?

Roy: Yes, absolutely, 

Dr. Veronica: Wonderful. Roy Nelson, Read his book, Love Notes from Hell. We can get that Amazon?

Roy: Yes, ma'am. It's actually best-seller in three categories. 

Dr. Veronica: It's fascinating to read because when you read somebody's... everything they've been through and then you meet them at a later point and you see how they have that aura of wonderful energy around them it's like, "Oh my god, he's been all of that?"

Roy: All grace, absolute grace. Unwarranted, unearned grace.

Dr. Veronica: Yes. Thank you so much Roy. I'm happy that you're doing this for people who want to get in touch with Roy please do so. Don't wait. The reason that you're energetically pulled to watch this particular interview is because you need it to. 

And so I'm Dr. Veronica. You know you can find me at This is Roy Nelson, Roy Nelson Healing. And this is Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. You're not going to get well unless you put together mind, body, and spirit. 

Your biggest challenge is to your soul, to your evolution. And learning your life purpose is through illness and injury. We all have them. Thank you Roy Nelson.

Roy: Thank you. I appreciate you.

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Nov 21, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Dr. Lori Shemek on how to Shrink Body Fat Cells for Quick and Lasting Weight Loss.

Do you want to lose weight and feel better? Lori Shemek, PhD, CNC, is well known as a pioneer in creating global awareness of low-level inflammation and how it is responsible for and the core cause of most illness, disease, faster aging and weight gain. She has uncovered the pathway to the core cause of weight: inflamed fat cells that not only promote unwanted excess weight gain and belly fat, but poor health as well.

In this episode, Dr. Lori talk’s on how depression, anger and stress directly affect inflammation and the typical symptoms you should be aware of. She also talks about ingesting an excess of Omega 6 fat and if removing all fats from your diet is safe. Listen to the end for ways to improve your gut health and battle your sugar craving.


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Show Notes:

02:20 - How Dr. Lori’s start in the health profession

05:50 - Becoming a fat cell researcher

07:30 - Depression, anger, stress and inflammation are directly related

08:40 - Inflammation simplified

11:30 - diseases associated with inflammation

12:40 - Symptoms of inflammation

15:00 - What is fatflammation?

17:00 - Foods that seem healthy but are not

18:00 - Ingesting an excess amount of Omega 6 fat

18:55 - How to shrink belly fat cells

19:45 - Is removing all fat from your diet safe?

20:00 - Adding quality protein

24:00 - What do vegetarians eat?

34:45 - Whey sensitivity and removing lactose

26:45 - Gut health, bacteria and sugar cravings

30:10 - Should you add in a daily probiotic supplement


Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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Dr. Veronica: Another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. Thank you for joining us once again. You're looking at the beautiful face of Dr. Lori Shemek, author of FATflammation. You're saying what is that complicated word that's a mouthful, and I have to be careful when I'm saying it, but you want to know about this. You want to get this book, FATflammation. What is it? You're fat and you're inflammation are connected. And we're going to talk about it today.

What gives Dr. Lori Shemek the right to talk about it? She's a researcher and has a background in psychology. And she understands all this. In addition, has been on CNN, is one of Dr. Oz's favorite, then featured in Woman's Day, and Redbook. She's been all over the place. You might see her just as much you see me all over the place. But you know I get the good people to bring to you to help you transform your life. Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Dr. Lori Shemek.

Dr. Lori: Thank you for having me. It's great to be here. I've been looking forward to it.

Dr. Veronica: I know because you emailed my assistant and said, "Do I have the time right? Is it happening?"

Dr. Lori: It was like, "Oh no, it's a wrong day."

Dr. Veronica: Because you know we have crazy schedules.

Dr. Lori: Right, exactly.

Dr. Veronica: Let's talk a little bit about this FATflammation thing. But before we do that let's get into your story. Everybody comes and ponders away. Most people I meet they just don't drop in to talking about fat and inflammation, or gluten, or whatever they're talking about. They have a personal interest that's passionate, near and dear to them, that allows them to be the greatest advocate for whatever it is. Tell me your story. 

Dr. Lori: It goes way back when we're children, right? It usually does. But to make it very quick I grew up with a mother who was very ill. Most of the memories with my mother are for being ill with different health conditions. In fact most of the memories I have of her are me walking into her dark bedroom laying there suffering. 

But my mother's choices, and I always emphasize choice, led her down an unhealthy path. She was very overweight. She smoked over a pack and a half of cigarettes a day. She had a poor diet. And she had enormous stress. You can imagine raising three young children all by herself with no support. So she had no husband. She had no financial support. She had very little income. She had no family support.

That combined all of that combines with her health condition. Unfortunately she passed away at the very young age of 36. She left behind three young children with nowhere to go. I always like to emphasize choice when I talk about health because really in the end it's about the choices that we make and the ones that we do affect not just us but they affect other people as well. 

At my mother's memorial service it was like an "Aha" moment. I said to myself she didn't have to die. She could've made different choices. And it was right then that I knew what I wanted to do. I wanted to help other people make different choices, better choices, and I wanted them to know that they have a choice to make. Because my mother is not unlike many people who feel like they don't have any choice, that this is their lot in life. This is the hand they've been dealt. And so they just throw their arms up in the air and that's the end of it.

Dr. Veronica: How old were you when you're mother passed away?

Dr. Lori: I was 17 by the time she died. My youngest brother was eight. And the middle brother was 10. We had an age range. And unfortunately because we didn't have anywhere to go we were split up and we never got back together again in terms of living as a family.

It's really important that people really take note of what they're doing with their health. It's funny because for example on Twitter I'll put out there every so often, "If you don't take care of your health who will?" One time this man answered me and he said, "My wife." And I said, "No, that's not the answer I was looking for."

That's how I got started in the helping profession. I started there and wanting to help people make better choices in their life. And that took me down the road of nutrition and health and here I am today.

Dr. Veronica: Wow. So you're a fat cell researcher. What made you decide fat was what you were going to research? Because there's a lot of ways you can go when you want to help people.

Dr. Lori: Right. When I first started out my focus, and before it was a buzzword I was very interested in the powerful impact that low level inflammation has on the body. And in fact I was coined the Inflammation Terminator [Unintelligible 00:06:16] because I wanted to educate the public. Because the core cause of most illness disease, faster aging, and weight gain is low level inflammation. And so I wanted to get that message out there and I kept pushing it wherever I had the opportunity to do so.

And then I realized that most of my clients were overweight. In fact 99% of them were overweight. I wanted to help people make change and I have the background in psychology so I am still able to combine that knowledge of health and nutrition and behavior change to help people.

Dr. Veronica: It's interesting [Unintelligible 00:07:02] like you say your background in psychology is that I started out with that background in psychology too so I'm very into people's thinking, their thought process, surrounding whatever has to do with their illness. And I realized that, and you might have realized this too. Before they could do anything to themselves physically they have to have that mind shift. 

And it's always curious to me as to what makes some people have that mind shift and other people don't have that mind shift. Some may never have it. That's something that's interesting with a psychology background. But let me just say this, I think the inflammation that happens all over the body impairs your thinking and judgment too.

Dr. Lori: It absolutely does. In fact I was on a show last night and we were talking about this very same thing. We're talking about how there's research out now showing that low level inflammation causes depression. And inflammation also causes anger. You can imagine we knew that stress and inflammation more directly intertwined. 

But now we know depression is a result of inflammation in the body, low level, and anger as well. So it really behooves a person to really pay attention to that inflammation that is setting up in the body. And before you really know you have it it's years down the road. It's cumulative. That is the same for weight gain as well.

Dr. Veronica: Explain in terms that the audience can understand. Now people have heard of inflammation. They're throwing it around at cocktail parties. But when they're throwing the words around in cocktail parties tell them how to explain it to that person next to them who hasn't heard about it yet. What is it?

Dr. Lori: That's a great question. You have to explain it in such a way that most people can understand it. So I like to use, "There are three different types of inflammation." There's acute inflammation. And I like to say it's not so cute because it gets your attention. It hurts. It's swollen. It's painful. It's like that terrible sprain, swollen ankle, or that awful sunburn, or head cold, or that cut on the finger. 

When you cut your finger for example an enormous amount of inflammatory molecules are released. And soldiers if you will rush to the site to repair the wound. The wound heals. The soldiers go away. The inflammation goes away and all is well. 

And then the next type of inflammation is called silent inflammation or low level inflammation. And it is as I mentioned earlier the core cause of most illness, disease, and faster aging. So diseases like heart disease, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer's, those types of diseases are the result of low level inflammation in the body. 

Unlike acute inflammation silent inflammation it's just a trickle of inflammatory molecules. And most people think that isn't those better? And it's not. Because the inflammation never goes away. It stays. It's there 24/7 unbeknownst to the person initially. 

And in fact 75% of our population has low level inflammation and they don't even know it. You can say that silent inflammation is like having a sore on the inside of your body that never heals. It's like a glowing ember that if not doused completely will erupt into a full blown fire in the form of health conditions later down the road.

The third type of inflammation is what I call fatflammation. It's a style inflammation of our fat cells. So if you'd like me to go on I can.

Dr. Veronica: Oh yeah. Now let's put the meat on that bone. But before we go to fatflammation particularly, educate us. We talked about the low level inflammation. You said it's the cause of most chronic diseases and people are saying, "I just got the heart disease. I just got the blood pressure. I just got this, that, and the other thing." What do you mean low level inflammation, silent inflammation? What are some of the diseases based on real...? Now that we have real research that Americans like.

There's a lot out there that's true that we don't have research on. It's still true, but Americans, we like to have, prove it to me, prove it to me, prove it to me. You're a researcher. What can you prove about this low level inflammation? What diseases do we now know it's associated with?

Dr. Lori: Most illness and disease. As I mentioned, heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, the list goes on and on. Very few are not inflammatory related. It's really important that you get to a point where you're in the prevention mode as opposed to waiting for it to happen. 

As you mentioned people one day, "Wait a minute, inflammation? I just got heart disease." And that's a very good point. But the problem is that there's been low level inflammation circulating throughout the body for a long time. And that's why I say if it's not doused completely it's going to erupt into a full blown fire.

Dr. Veronica: So although you call it silent usually what other people may call silent to those of us who are in the health profession it's not silent. There are signs and symptoms that are going on in the "silent." What do people look for and suspect that might have this inflammation? This is before we get to the fatflammation thing. What might people see?

Dr. Lori: They're tired all the time. Physically they're not feeling well. They have a fever or they just don't have any more get up and go. They have dry skin, dry hair. They have mouth ulcers. And anything that is not normal with the body is a sign of inflammation. 

Having said that we have things that go on with our body that are inflammatory like arthritis for example, where it's confined to just the knee for example. However we have for example heart disease, we have calcification or inflammation on the arterial wall sets up, they're creating lesions if you will which end up blocking the artery. That is inflammation that has been taking place for a while.

We have different types of inflammation. It doesn't mean that if you have circulating low level inflammation that it's going to affect every part of your body. It just depends on maybe it's a genetic predisposition to a certain disease or illness that will create this disease or illness.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. Silent is not really silent, silent. 

Dr. Lori: No, there can be symptoms. For example in heart disease you can have chest pain. You can have different heart symptoms. But that doesn't always mean that it's inflammation from stress, which can be inflammatory as well.

But it's really important, and this is a good time to say this, that we take really good care of our health because as you know Dr. Veronica, it's all integrated. Everything is holistic. So when we take care of our emotional and mental health we take care of our physical health. We make sure that everything is addressed. Then we're doing what we need to do to create optimal health. Because if we just focus on one area, like a lot of people think that they're just working out and that's all they need to do for their health, their diet doesn't matter. It doesn't work like that. Everything is integrated.

Dr. Veronica: Now let's get over the fatflammation. Explain it for us.

Dr. Lori: First of all fatflammation is the silent inflammation of our fat cells. This happens very silently but we do know we have this if we're gaining weight. We have about 100 billion fat cells throughout our body. And they're all about the size of a period on the end of a sentence when healthy. 

And you can look at these fat cells like little factories that are spewing out inflammatory molecules. And this has a metabolic effect that slows down the metabolism causing weight gain for you. And it becomes a vicious cycle because the more inflammation that's released from the fat cell the more fat is packed into that cell. And it's not just fat, it's sugar and other compounds that create more of a bloated, expanded fat cell that you see as breaking.

Dr. Veronica: Okay.

Dr. Lori: For example, the types of foods people eat, that really healthy fat cell that was about the size of a period on the end of a sentence becomes bigger, and bigger, and bigger. Or it just becomes bigger. This is a problem because the very foods people are eating and a lot of people don't realize that some of the very foods they're eating they think are healthy are creating these larger fat cells and causing weight gain.

Dr. Veronica: Alright. I have a few questions about that but I want to go on what you just said. These foods that you're eating that you think are healthy are actually causing this inflammation and causing you to get fatter. Tell people what are those foods that they make think are healthy that aren't so healthy.

Dr. Lori: Right. It's a very good question. For example a lot of people eat yogurt. "I'm doing great. I'm eating yogurt. Most of these yogurts have more sugar than a candy bar. And other foods like whole wheat bread for example. Two slices of whole wheat bread can raise your blood sugar as much as two tablespoons of sugar. That's really something to take note of. There are cooking oils that people are using that are very high in the fat omega-6.

Dr. Veronica: Which ones? 

Dr. Lori: Omega-6 and omega-3 are very healthy for you but we ingest way too much omega-6. It's in packaged and processed foods. The food manufacturers love it because it's cheap. A lot of the ingredients they use have omega-6 in them like corn for example. Corn is the grain highest in omega-6. 

When you ingest an excess amount of omega-6 fat you create a compound called arachidonic acid. And you don't have to remember the name, but it gets stored in the fat cell. And the fat cell gets cranky when arachidonic acid is stored in there. Remember this is inflammation. It's an immune response. And it begins to emit inflammatory molecules which slow down metabolism, and it becomes this vicious cycle.

Oils, white corn oil, or vegetable oil, or canola oil for example people think are healthy when in fact canola oil is inflammatory and it's highly processed. If you could see how canola oil is processed you wouldn't even use it. And so what you want to do is you want to swap out those types of oils for healthy oils like avocado oil or macadamia nut oil or coconut oil. If you're trying to lose weight those are the oils to go to because those oils help shrink belly fat cells. They help shrink fat in particular. 

And this is another important point that a lot of people believe that when you lose fat you're losing the fat cells. You're actually losing the fat cells when in fact you're just shrinking those cells. You keep your number of fat cells unless you become morbidly obese, and then they start to die out. What you want to do, your goal is to shrink those fat cells.

Dr. Veronica: I'm on my diet, I'm getting healthy again. You're telling me eat avocado oil and all these other oils. But I'm going to go you one better. I'm not going to eat any fat at all. Is that okay?

Dr. Lori: That's a great question. No. That's the worst thing you can do. Because when you don't eat any fat your body in fact will begin to pack on the pounds. Because a lot of times you're just eating refined carbohydrates or an excess amount of even healthy carbohydrates. We want fat. Healthy fat burns fat from across the board. Omega-3 fat is as important as omega-6 but we get too much of that omega-6. And omega-3 then can't do its job of reversing inflammation within the fat cell and throughout the body.

When it's able to do its job you will then of course shrink that fat cell and then burn fat. So you want to kick all those foods that are high in omega-6 like packaged, processed foods, junky foods. You want to get rid of all those cooking oils like vegetable oil, corn oil, canola oil, soy oil. You want to add in healthy oils. 

And you want to stop eating foods that are fed corn for example which are conventionally raised foods. Eat as much pasture raised poultry that you can, pasture raised eggs, omega-3 eggs. You want to bring in as much grass fed meat as you can, beef and lamb. Because grass fed beef and lamb are high in omega-3. And the products that come from these animals like eggs and dairy that are grass fed as well.

Dr. Veronica: I'm also going to get healthy and I've decided I'm giving up red meat. I'm not eating any beef. Is there a problem with that?

Dr. Lori: No, not at all. If you do not want to eat meat you do not have to eat meat. It's okay. But make sure that you get quality protein in your diet. Protein is crucial for fat loss. It's very important and it has to be quality. Because what you want to do is you want to trigger those weight loss hormones. So you want to trigger the hormone CCK for example. That's a natural appetite suppressant.

You want to trigger weight loss hormones. And these will help you satiate. For example research shows that simply eating two eggs in the morning stops hunger and craving for hours. And the people who ate the eggs in the morning lost a marked amount of [Unintelligible 00:22:41] compared to those that did not.

So make sure that you definitely get that quality protein in because you want to trigger those hormones. And the hormone I was trying to remember was leptin.

Dr. Veronica: I was just saying leptin and ghrelin.

Dr. Lori: Right. Leptin tells your brain you've had enough food. "I'm not hungry anymore." It's Greek for thin. So that means when you have enough protein you're not going to be hungry. And ghrelin is the hormone that actually makes you hungry. I call it the growling hormone because it makes your stomach growl when telling you it's time to eat.

Dr. Veronica: You said quality proteins are going to decrease this inflammation that's going on. Can you rate for us what are the quality proteins? A lot of people, like I said, "I'm not giving up read meat. I love it. I love grass fed." When you talk about quality proteins give the definition. Because I hear people a lot of times say, "But I eat healthy." And then I find out what they're eating and healthy is not really healthy but they don't know that. Define quality protein.

Dr. Lori: Quality protein means you have all the essential amino acids. And that's very important. It helps your immune system. It helps ensure that you're triggering those weight loss hormones, examples that I gave you earlier. 

If you're a vegetarian you want to make sure that you have a combination of non-meat sources such as rice and beans for example. Or there are protein powders like pea powder or pea rice powder that are very effective in helping vegetarians to get rid of that resistant weight that they have going on. 

And whey protein for those that aren't vegetarian studies show is highly powerful in terms of busting pure weight loss resistance. If you ensure you have adequate protein quality sources you will definitely make weight gain history in your life.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. I'm going to put a little disclaimer here just because I agree with what you're saying but I want to say something on that about whey protein. Yes, it's fabulous, unless you're one of those people who are sensitive to whey. And there are quite a few people who are sensitive to whey. 

And so this is why it's a good idea to have somebody on your team who is aware of what could be your problem. You could say, "I went off. I started drinking my protein shakes and nothing's happening." Well if you're sensitive to whey that means it's going to cause inflammation in your body and you can gain weight because you're having food sensitivity, an immune reaction to inflammation. Stress equals weight gain.

Although whey is a great source there are people who are very sensitive to it. And a lot of people, more than you think are sensitive to it. One size doesn't fit all. Whey is great. I think it's the best except in the 50% of people that I deal with that are sensitive to whey.

Dr. Lori: Yeah, and there is a form of whey that is 99.9% free of the lactose that is causing sensitivity. And for people who are it seems to be highly tolerable which is very good. But there are those percentages of people that really can't take any form of dairy whatsoever. In that case you want to obviously stay away from whey. But there are other high quality protein sources. 

And so I recommend that people get, if you're a woman about the size and thickness of the palm of your hand at every meal. And if you're a man about the size and thickness of your whole hand at every meal in terms of protein.

Dr. Veronica: Wonderful. Now, let's talk about the gut, the gut, the gut. I have a gut feeling that this one’s making me [Unintelligible 00:26:54]. Say something about inflammation and the digestive tract, the gut.

Dr. Lori: Very important, I can't underscore the importance of your gut health. We have about 100 trillion gut bacteria. I know it doesn't sound very pleasant, but these gut bacteria are crucial for your optimal health, mental health, and weight as well. So 70% of our immune system resides within our gut and 90% of the serotonin made, which I call the happy transmitter because serotonin makes you feel happy, not in the brain but it's made in the gut. In fact we have 500 billion brain cells in the lining of our gut. 

Our gut is often called our second brain. And specific strains of bacteria are directly related or causal of your weight loss or weight gain. So you can see how crucial it is that we take very good care of our gut health. And more and more research is pouring in about the importance of our gut health. And I talk about it in my book.

And so what we want to do is make sure that we create an abundance of healthy gut bacteria. Right now the majority of people in our nation have an abundance of unhealthy gut bacteria. So unhealthy gut bacteria love sugar and junk food, literally. They need sugar to thrive and survive. And so there are 10 times more gut bacteria than there are human cells in our body, so you can imagine the types of cravings you're going to have. 

These gut bacteria extract more calories from those types of foods and store them as fat. And so it's really important that we kick all of those junk foods to the curb, all that sugar, and all the things we know that aren't very healthy, and add in foods that are going to create better gut health. And so that means that we want to add in foods that are prebiotic and probiotic. 

Prebiotic foods are simply what I call fertilizer for healthy gut bacteria. They feed the good gut bacteria, the good microbiota. And these foods are asparagus, onions, garlic, bananas, and beans. These types of foods are a food source. You're creating an abundance of them.

And then you want to add in probiotics. And probiotics actually plant healthy bacteria in the gut. And so these are cultured and fermented foods like yogurt for example, without sugar. Because remember sugar feeds the bad gut bacteria. So we people to stop eating those fruity yogurts.

Dr. Veronica: I'm not eating with those sugars in them anyway. I'm using the ones with the artificial sweetener.

Dr. Lori: Yeah, that's another topic, right? And so we want to make sure that we add in foods that are cultured and fermented like yogurt, no sugar. And then we want to add in pickles, sauerkraut, olives, and different cheeses. In fact all of these types of foods plant healthy bacteria in the gut creating an abundance. And that means you're going to have better mental health and also going to lose weight. 

And lastly I'd like to say that I highly recommend people add in a probiotic supplement every day because we're actually planting that really in abundance of really healthy gut bacteria. Make sure it's a quality product though because if it's not guaranteed it means that some of the bacteria will die and not getting the amount that they're stating is on the bottle.

A quality product, the manufacturers it's what they call overages. They add in more of the bacteria than they state because they know there's going to be a natural die off. And so make sure it's guaranteed.

Dr. Veronica: Is it enough just to take the probiotic pill?

Dr. Lori: Not really because you always to cover your bases. You always want to make sure you're getting really quality food in your diet. And you want to make sure you're getting a variety of food in your diet. So these foods also add in different benefits as well. You're getting fiber and you're getting the antioxidants, phytochemicals from these different types of foods as well. 

Dr. Veronica: Lori Shemek, thank you for being on Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. 

Dr. Lori: It's my pleasure. Thank you.

Dr. Veronica: Fatflammation, say that for me.

Dr. Lori: Fatflammation, like fat and inflammation. How To Fight FATflammation is the name of my book. And you can find it anywhere books are sold.

Dr. Veronica: The name of the game is inflammation and the digestive track. You've heard it here, Dr. Lori Shemek, expert on all of this because she had a mother who left her orphaned at 17 years old, and so it's made her career. I thank you making those ashes into roses.

Dr. Lori: That's lovely. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. It's been fun.

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Nov 17, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Jennifer Fugo on How to be a Savvy Gluten Free Shopper. Do you want to regain your health? Certified Health Coach and founder of Gluten Free School, Jennifer Fugo, has created the number one spot for those living a gluten-free life seeking community, simple & clear information about their condition, and ways to become empowered and finally feel better. She is dedicated to teach gluten-sensitive individuals simple, savvy and empowering steps to get healthy.

In this episode, Jennifer will talk about how she healed her gluten sensitivity in 3 days, the issue with the food supply in America and how choosing certified gluten free product can simplify your life. She will also share the biggest tips that will help you transition into a gluten-free lifestyle, key GF products and companies and how to order food when eating at restaurants. Listen to the end to access to the 9 Homemade & Store-bought Gluten Free Breads cheat sheet.


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Show Notes:

01:50 - Is gluten free a weight loss program?

02:45 - Developing gluten symptoms  

07:00 - Gluten sensitivity 3-day cure

09:30 - Why Jennifer started the Gluten Free School

14:00 - Severe IGG sensitivity to eggs

15:00 - Celiac disease vs. gluten sensitivity

16:55 - Non-invasive Celiac test

18:00 - Leaky gut and digestive repair

23:00 - The issue with the food supply in America

29:30 - What is Certified Gluten Free?

31:00 - Biggest tips when transitioning to gluten free

35:52 - Gluten free products and companies

40:00 - Ordering food at PF Chang's restaurants

49:00 - Finding the right practitioner

52:00 - Eating GF free bread


Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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Female VO: Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives.

If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit for instant access. Here's your host, Dr. Veronica.

Dr. Veronica: Welcome to another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. It's hot where I am today. It's humid and me and my guest are having bad hair days. This is why you say, "Dr. Veronica, you don't look as good as you usually look." 

Jennifer: Bad hair day.

Dr. Veronica: But you're not looking at us because we have good hair or bad hair you are listening to the Wellness Revolution because you need knowledge about a particular subject. So I'm going to talk about a subject today with my guest. We're going to talk about gluten once again. Why am I going to hit gluten again? Because there's so much everything going around with the gluten. So much everything that I can't talk to enough people. 

Why? Because there's myths, there's facts, there's different ways to go about it. And if you are struggling with figuring out, "Can I do this? How do I do this?" The more people that you hear, you might hear that piece of information that helps you get on the road because this is crucial to your health.

Let me say one other thing about this. Although a lot of people go gluten free because they want to lose weight, this is not why we do the program. Going gluten free is not a weight loss program. Pure end of the discussion. So if you think I'm going off gluten because I want to drop a lot of pounds, go ahead off of gluten. 

But if you can keep gluten in your eating plan I recommend that you do it because that group of foods has particular nutrients in it. And if you're not gluten sensitive you should keep eating them. Not excessively but everything, pretty much unless you have a sensitivity you should be in your eating plan. 

Having said that I would like to introduce to you the founder of the Gluten Free School. How about that? The Gluten Free School where you can go and learn how to do this. It's a little bit more. Now we have a school about it. Jennifer, oh my gosh. I always come across this. Jennifer Fugo?

Jennifer: Yes, Fugo. 

Dr. Veronica: People have these names and everybody tells me I'm very good at pronouncing people's names. But Jennifer Fugo?

Jennifer: Fugo... My family's name got shortened on Ellis Island so...

Dr. Veronica: So Jennifer Fugo, Gluten Free School. We're going to talk... But instead of me telling you all her accolades I want you to hear her story about how she founded the Gluten Free School. Jennifer, welcome to the Wellness Revolution and jump right in and just start talking to the viewers about where you started on this gluten free journey.

Jennifer: First I want to thank you so much Dr. Veronica for the invitation to come on your show and get to educate people about this because I know that where I started I had never heard of gluten before. And I come from an Italian... I just mentioned my name got shortened on Ellis Island. My great grandparents came here from Italy. We still have relatives that we're connected to in Italy. There's a lot of traditional things about my... I never heard of gluten. I was like, "What, gluten? What is that? Glue?" I had no idea.

Dr. Veronica: It is like glue.

Jennifer: Right, it is. More like breads and all sorts of things because of the nature of the protein. But I think a lot of people come at this from reading things online that are incorrect, and sometimes make them afraid to eat. That sort of what happened to me. I was 27 when I was actually diagnosed with non-celiac gluten sensitivity which is different than celiac disease. And we can certainly talk about that if you haven't talked about that before. 

I had terrible brain fog. I couldn't remember things. I had acne. I had round rashes on my arms and on my legs. I would sleep for 9 to 12 hours a day and I still couldn't get up. So my husband would have to shake me and pull me out of bed and I still could've taken a nap in the afternoon. And then I was just so fatigued. 

I have these digestive problems that I just thought were normal. How many of us are like, "I have stomach problems. It's natural. Whatever." It wasn't. I would get diarrhea all the time. I had terrible gas. I know people start to chuckle. They're like, "Oh my gosh, she's going to talk about this." But if I don't talk about it who's going to talk about it. 

My gas actually smelled so bad that my husband got to a point where he didn't want to be around me. It's funny but it's not funny because can you imagine if you're in a business meeting, or you're with family or friends, so you're trying to hold that in and it causes stomach pains and all sorts of problems. 

Occasionally we get constipated but my issues with gluten were more of the spectrum of just diarrhea. Like in the middle of a meal I'd be running to the bathroom five, six, seven, eight times, doubled over in pain. I had to go now or I would have had an accident, like bathroom emergency.

And so I really didn't know that any of this was abnormal because I'd had it so long. And what I also didn't know that was connected to this was that I had chronic headaches since I was a teenager. So I've been taking Tylenol for a very long time. And about a year period I had gained almost 20 pounds despite being a total gym rat and trying to eat really well, eat organic, whole grains, and all that stuff. I had kept putting on weight that I couldn't get rid of and I felt very puffy. 

Bloated, yes, but it was more just all over. It's just an all over puffiness that no matter how much I exercised, no matter how much I tried to diet, the needle wasn't going in the direction I wanted it to ahead. It kept going up and I was starting to get really concerned that something... I'm like, "Did I break me? What's going on? I'm so out of control and I don't know what to do." I've tried everything that I think I needed to do like cutting calories, and watching my fat intake, and doing all of these... and it just wasn't working at all.

Anyway, after going through a rigmarole of doctors and things and they didn't know what was wrong I landed in a nutritionist's office and she looked at my diet and said, "Have you ever heard of gluten? And do you know what gluten sensitivity is?" And I was like, "No, no clue. You have to enlighten me."

This is full disclosure that is not the case with everyone. My journey is my own and I don't want people to think, "I have all these symptoms the same as Jen. So if do what she does I'm going to feel magically better in three days." That's not true. Some people it takes longer than that.

But my story is that within three days the terrible gas stopped. The explosive diarrhea stopped. The stomach pain stopped. And I just felt overall more with it. That was the initial thing, and after a week I was like... even my husband said something's different.

We did blood spot testing and it turned out that I had not just sensitivity to gluten, I have an even more severe reaction to eggs. And I'm also sensitive to the casein protein which is found in all dairy products including goat, or sheep, or anything else. The cashew family, the cruciferous family, I had a lot of things that I had to take out of my diet. 

Again, I mentioned, I didn't put together the pieces that the headaches were connected, or the weight gain was connected, or the fact that I was getting sick about every six weeks with whatever cold or flu or bug that was going around. I didn't know that all these things were connected to what was happening in my digestive system. And by taking them out my life changed. 

If you go to my website you can see a before and after picture and it's not one of those things where you're like, "Is that person sucking in?" I'm not sure, the lighting's hard to tell. I look very different. I looked so different at that point that I had friends that I haven't seen in about a year who are like, "Are you okay? You look so different than I'm used to seeing you. Are you sick? What's going on because I lost a lot of weight." 

My husband and I hadn't put it together until he happened to be... he was on Photoshop going through photos that we were taking on our trip and have those two pictures up side by side and he was like, "Now I know why people think you look different."

It takes time, number one. But when I went gluten free back in 2008 when all this happened to me there was some books they weren't that great. I was given three websites. "Best of luck. I'll talk to you in eight weeks." And I had to figure it out myself. 

And so the whole point of founding Gluten Free School, and I also want to share too. I'm not just coming at this from what my experience has been. I worked for 10 years for my father who's an MD and a surgeon, an ophthalmologist just like yourself. And so I worked right with patients with him. I have a lot of experience first-hand of what patients go through, not just for myself but also what a patient goes through when they go to the doctor's office. I understand a lot about that.

And then I decided to go back and become a certified health coach because I wanted to help people with their diet. And now I'm in the process of finishing my final semester of Masters in Nutrition program. I'm so excited. I'm almost close to [Unintelligible 00:10:38] done that. And I actually just started an internship yesterday with a functional medicine doctor.

I have continued to take this very seriously because I understand that there's an incredible knowledge gap. And it can seem so daunting and so impractical, and so inconvenient, and so hard, and so expensive, and we could go on and on and on about all the barriers that prevent people from actually making this lifestyle change.

The reason that Gluten Free School exists is not only just to educate people but to empower them to make better choices to be able to talk to their doctors with confidence. And to also know that the decisions that they're making aren't nuts, that they're practical for their own lives, that you don't have to go broke doing this, and that you can be incredibly happy and incredibly satisfied living a life that happens to be gluten free.

And by the way it benefits your health if that's what you need. And I agree with you, you shouldn't ever do this diet just to lose weight. Just because that was my experience does not mean that that's going to happen for everyone. It does not mean that everybody's migraines are going to away if they go gluten free or any number of things. There are maybe other...

For me I had multiple food sensitivities. I have gut issues that needed to be resolved. So it's not a quick fix. It's not a miracle. It's not some heaven sent thing. Yes, people who are sensitive to it are going to experience changes but I'm also very cautious and pragmatic about how I talk about this because there are a lot of emotional implications. There's a lot of stuff that frankly sucks especially when you're dealing with family and friends that don't care about how you're eating now and it's an inconvenience to them about dining out and all that stuff. So I want to make it easy and simple. But I also want to make sure that people feel happy and satisfied in their lives. And that the diet isn't going to drive you nuts.

Dr. Veronica: Let's sort of transition, and I always like to add on a little bit to what people say because everybody brings out a little bit of different nuggets. And so first of all when you went to a professional because you didn't know what was going on. And so now gluten free and everything is all over the place so people may want to say, "I don't want to go to a professional. I just want to do it myself. There's more resources out there."

However, let me just point out one piece of your story that was quite important, you found out you were sensitive to gluten but this, and this, and this, and this too. And that's what happens with people, sometimes people go off gluten and they have sensitivities in other areas. And they say, "I went gluten free and it didn't work." They may be the persons that are not sensitive to gluten. 

I say that in that you ended up finding out not only is it gluten, it's all these other things too. And I have all these other things affecting my digestion, and that's a completely different issue than just I'm sensitive to gluten. 

Jennifer: Right. And Dr. Veronica to add to that, remember I said I took gluten out. That first week I was like whoa, it's different. The thing was I kept getting really sick, like that explosive, painful diarrhea, like everyone once in a while I can't figure out what it was. I was like, "I don't have any gluten in my diet. I don't know why this is still happening." I want to tell her that I feel better and maybe it's gluten, maybe it's not. 

If I was doing this on my own I might have concluded that I kind of feel better but not 100%. It turns out and I didn't know this until I got those blood results back that I have a severe sensitivity and IgG sensitivity to eggs. And I eat a lot of eggs. And the last time I ever ate eggs which I remember because I still to this day, that was 2008 I still have not eaten eggs. 

I had egg salad with mayo in it and I got so sick that I thought I was having a heart attack. I was at the gym working out and I was jamming my fist into my stomach because I was like oh my gosh, and it started here. I could feel the pain moving down and I need to go home, I need to go home. And part way home I had to pull over the car because I thought I was going to pass out. I was in so much agonizing pain.

It goes to show you, and you're right, that's a very good point to make and to clarify for people that if you go it alone it can be a real challenge to pinpoint exactly what's going on. And then also too, and this is one my biggest regrets, my practitioner never told me what celiac disease was. And celiac disease is different than being sensitive to gluten, because celiac disease is an autoimmune disease. So there's a lot more implications if you have an autoimmune reaction to something. So I never got tested. 

So could I go and get genetic testing now to find out if I have one of the two or both of the celiac genes? Sure. At this point [Unintelligible 00:15:48]. But I'm not going to go any gluten for six weeks in order to get an endoscopy with a biopsy. That's considered the gold standard. I would advise somebody if you're going to go it alone just be aware, if you find gluten bothers you you got to go back to a gastroenterologist and find out if you have an issue beyond just being sensitive to gluten. Because having celiac disease predisposes you to developing other autoimmune conditions. 

Like Hashimoto's thyroiditis for example, you're four times more likely to develop Hashimoto's. So most people who develop one autoimmune disease are more likely to end up with multiples. And that's not good. That's a state where you're body's attacking itself. So my biggest regret, that's why I say to people, it's not good to go this alone is that you can end up being in a state of uncertainty for a very long time. And that can catch up with you down the road if you don't do it the right way. I always think the most efficient way to do it is the right way from the get-go, not have to figure it out later on when there's a huge problem. 

Dr. Veronica: One thing I just want to clarify for people, you said the only way to get diagnosed with celiac is to get an endoscopy. There are other tests that you can get that are not invasive now, that are very, very predictive of it. If you have one of these sensitivities then you have to go to a doctor. And it's not usually a gastroenterologist. It's usually a functional wellness specialist type doctor that's going to know, "Okay, we need to get this or that to figure out whether or not you look like you have celiac versus you don't have celiac."

And so understand there are other ways to test this other than cleaning yourself out and having somebody scope you. Because I know that prospect will scare people right away. There are many invasive ways that are not painful to figure it out and then you could be on the road. And you want to know, because if you're feeling miserable you're making yourself sicker, and autoimmune diseases have all kinds of ugly complications including organ failure. So you don't want to just do it. 

And let me just say, the number one cause of these autoimmune disease are food sensitivity. Food sensitivity is what's causing a lot of this so you have to understand what you're sensitive to. Let's talk a little bit more as we're talking about gluten some of the big terms right now. You mentioned one of them. I see it a lot of time, leaky gut. 

I talked to people about leaky gut, and whenever I see somebody like Jennifer, their tests come back after I do testing, and they're sensitive too. There's 90 foods tested, they're sensitive to 80 of them. I don't say, "Stop eating everything." I say, "They have leaky gut and so therefore we have to do  a digestive repair." And there's a particular protocol for that. That's what I say.

You're sensitive to everything, leaky gut. Jennifer, in layman's terms to the audience tell people what I just and why I said it from your perspective.

Jennifer: Essentially from my perspective as well, to give people a little bit more of clarity. If you go to a regular doctor and you say, "I think I have leaky gut." They're going to be like, "You have what? What is that? Excuse me? That's not a real thing." 

You'd want to use the term gut permeability because that's the correct medical term for it. And there actually is a lot of data out there and a lot of research around gut permeability. One really interesting study that came up recently, and maybe I'll talk about this in a moment after I explain what leaky gut is just in layman's terms. But there is a lot of interesting research as you said to go back to that whole thing about autoimmune disease. That food sensitivity specifically gluten actually play a huge role in altering what can essentially stay within your digestive track and what sneaks out into your body.

Realize that you're digestive system, that tube if you want to think it as a host, so the stomach to the small intestine, to the large intestine, etc., technically the outside of your body. Even though we think of inside it's the outside. And that hose there's only one cell layer of thickness that constitutes that host. So you've got one cell layer that's preventing you from getting exposed to bacteria, parasites, viruses, food particles, all sorts of things. 

What can happen with gluten, and actually this is the study that I was talking about. They said they took three different groups of people, three or four actually. They took people with celiac disease, individuals who were I believe gluten sensitive and then healthy individuals who reacted not at all to gluten. And they exposed them all to gluten and looked at the gut permeability. That means essentially could particles pass from the host into the body. They shouldn't be able to do that. That's not actually good. In all cases, no matter whether you are healthy or not gluten increased the permeability of everybody's digestive track, AKA, the hose.

Dr. Veronica: I'm going to reiterate this. I want to reiterate this. I'm familiar with the study obviously and I heard one doctor say it at a conference gluten will eventually get everybody. Gluten will eventually get everybody. What Jennifer told you, here's what the study says, what the bottom line is gluten will get you even if you're not sensitive today, ultimately you will begotten. 

There's three groups of people here. You have celiac disease, you have a genetic predisposition. You're never going to be able to handle it. Horrible for a gluten. Then there's other people who just are more sensitive. Their system's more sensitive and it gets turned on. And those depended usually. And so if you're eating less you might not even realize that it was gluten. 

I'm one of those people. I'm sensitive to wheat. I never even realized it because I didn't have a ton of wheat in my diet. So I never realized what was happening. I couldn't put it together. There it is. Because I eat it today three days later is when you're having a problem. 

Group number two, sensitive, they go from people like me who it's relatively mild, to the Jennifer's of the world who, oh my god, you can't even stand in a room with her when she eats wheat. And then there's the third group of people that they have the iron stomach, and the iron stomach means they can pretty much take everything they're not really sensitive. But what we found is in all of these people, even in the people with the iron stomachs who are not sensitive, it will begin to breakdown their digestive system if they eat enough of it.

And so people have to understand you eat too much gluten eventually it will get you. And this is why if you're somebody who you noticed over the years has gotten worst, and worst, and worst, this is how food sensitivities work. And that's what happens to the iron clad people. Gluten will get everybody and especially in this country, where it's genetically modified. And so let's go into the segue about what you know about the food supply here. You talked about traditional versus non-traditional. This is important in you schooling people. Talk about that Jennifer.

Jennifer: I guess the issue with the food supply, I have a lot of friends at work in the food industry. One thing that I came to learn as a result of their deciding to start food companies was that our food supply is inundated with wheat. There's wheat everywhere. It's in most factories. They find wheat or contamination of gluten. 

By the way, just to be clear with everyone, gluten is not necessarily wheat. It can be other gluten-bearing grains. You have wheat, you have barley, and rye. Oats are an example of a contaminated grain. Spelt is a form of wheat. Farro, einkorn, those are all forms of wheat. 

And so unfortunately you can't just pick a product off the shelf that isn't more gluten free and look at the ingredients on the back. Let's just pretend it's nuts for example. You're at the grocery store and you want to pick up a package of nuts. People will see maybe a warning on the back that'll say, "Made in the same facility that contains wheat, eggs, dairy, soy..." 

They don't legally have to disclose that information to you. That's something that a company will put on the back of the product. But the reason they do that is because wheat is just everywhere, and so is gluten. And it becomes a problem for people who are not just allergic to wheat itself but also people who are sensitive to gluten, people who have celiac disease and other autoimmune diseases.

It's important to understand this is where the knowledge gap really becomes quite apparent with people. Consumers especially don't understand any of this. They think that this was made in a facility that is sterilized and clean so there shouldn't be any risk of gluten being in this because it's rice. Unfortunately if the bag of rice isn't marked gluten free believe it or not there's about a 30% chance that that rice is contaminated with gluten.

There was a study done of gluten free grains that were tested for gluten contamination. This was several years ago and they found that about 32% of those grains have gluten in them because they were exposed or contaminated at some point along the way. It's why if you go gluten free and you're still going to eat oats you have to find oats that are certified gluten free. Because the processing that goes on, it's typically on same equipment. The fields are usually, oats and wheat are side by side. So there's a lot of issues with that. And no, Quaker Oats, unless they're marked certified gluten free are not gluten free. I've had friends actually test them with testing kits, they're not gluten free. 

So it's important to understand, you think that a sterilized facility is going to eliminate your gluten problem, that's not true. And that's actually not the case of your kitchen either. Because gluten can hide in a number of different areas like cutting boards, toasters, pasta strainers. We think that we just do a once over and it's good. "I'm just going to brush off the cutting board after I cut some bread and I'm going to make my gluten free whatever."

That's not how this works. Gluten's not a virus. It's not bacteria. You can't cook it away. You can't just brush things off and say, "It looks clean. I don't see any gluten. There's no crumbs." It actually only takes a very small amount to make most people sick. A small crumb actually is the amount that it takes to make people sick. So it's important to understand the ins and outs not only in your own kitchen but also what happens in the food industry. It forces you essentially to become your own advocate not just for your health when you go to the doctor's office, but additionally when you go to buy food. 

And so one thing that I advise people of just to keep things simple, to keep your sanity is to buy foods that happen to be gluten free. There's plenty of healthy gluten free... because if you're sitting here thinking, what can I eat. Gluten's in everything. There's a lot of food that's gluten free. The problem is when it's packaged. 

The first thing I always tell people, and Dr. Veronica I'm sure you're a big fan of this. I tell people when you go to the grocery store the first spot you should go is to the wall of green along the one side and fill your cart with that. Don't go to the fruit section. Don't head into the cereal aisle or the packaged fruit area, go to the wall of green and start eating real fruit. Vegetables more so than fruit, but you want to have a variety of different colors in your diet. Those items are all gluten free naturally.

You can have poultry, you can have fish, you can have beef, you can have all sorts of meats, eggs. Most dairy, you just have to be kind of careful with yogurts and stuff that's, again, very processed. And nuts, seeds, legumes, and there are gluten free grains. There's plenty of them out there. There are plenty of gluten free products as well.

It's just important that you look for a gluten free label. If you're a celiac you should look for certified gluten free because there is always that issue that nobody's regulating the gluten free claim that is made on packaged products. It's required by the FDA that a product test under a specific threshold in order to qualify as gluten free, and that threshold's 20 parts per million.

That said unless the FDA gets enough complaints that people have gotten sick, which is what happened with Cheerios, they don't do anything. They're not randomly going and testing the company or saying, "Hey, are you checking where your ingredients came from?" 

That's why certified gluten free is always better because there's a protocol in place. They're actually testing those products to be 10 parts per million, sometimes five, sometimes three parts per million. They do it regularly. They check the batches. They find out if the raw ingredients are gluten free. They store them in a particular manner that makes sure that there's no cross circulation of air, believe it or not. 

Because think about it, a flower floats through the air that doesn't contaminate the ingredients, it doesn't contaminate the equipment. And that if it is processed, and I would tell people don't flip out if something is made on the same equipment as other things that are made with wheat because if it's certified gluten free they, number one, have to make sure that the equipment is really cleaned appropriately. And number two, they're testing the batches.

There's accountability there's all that stuff. And yes, every once in a while there's a recall. It's not often but as with anything in life. So that's why you want to focus your diet around real food. And if you want to indulge in a gluten free food product once in a while that's alright. It's not the end of the world. But I believe that real food is the best way to go. Plus, if you've been sick for a long time you want to get the most bang for your buck with nutrition. And frankly there's a lot more nutrition in real food than there is in something like processed rice bar.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. Let's talk about you have particular tips that I think are just excellent for people to think about. You ran over some of those tips as you were talking but let's go through the few pointers that you like to tell people, when you're going gluten free here are some tips that I want you to think about ahead of time. Not just looking at the gluten, you've talked about the certified versus the not certified rate. What other tips do you tell people when they're going gluten free?

Jennifer: My number one rule that goes with that is don't be a food detective. You're not Food Babe. I know everybody's like, Food Babe, she helped us find yoga mat material in our Subway sandwiches. That's all well and good but you can't find gluten in your food. I'm sorry. It does not work. You can't scan an ingredients list...

Dr. Veronica: I'm in multiple of these very large gluten free Facebook groups and I cannot tell you, it angers me so much that people keep posting up pictures of the product with the ingredients and they're like, "Do you think this is safe?" I'm like, "I'm sorry. Do any of us work for these companies? I don't know what's in this. I don't know how it was processed. I don't know anything." Maybe the garlic was contaminated with gluten. Maybe the pasta sauce was contaminated with gluten because of [Unintelligible 00:32:11] 

Dr. Veronica: I really think rule number one, because...

Jennifer: Don't be a food detective.

Dr. Veronica: You hit a pain point for me with the Facebook groups. You have to realize being a physician who has holistic, real education and clinical experience, real, not just my experience of one, I go into these groups and it's a peer-to-peer. And I see the reason why you're sick is because you're listening to your peer and not somebody who really knows something.

Jennifer: Correct.

Dr. Veronica: Rule number one should be don't get your advice from Facebook. You need support but you need to invest some time into getting advice from people who really have some knowledge and background. So rule number one is going to be don't get your advice from Facebook. What's the matter with you?

Jennifer: Correct, I agree with you.

Dr. Veronica: Number one, don't be the food label. Number two, let's go and see some more.

Jennifer: Number two, do not buy from bulk bins. Even if you're like, "Oh, but it's rice but it's nuts." You don't know where the spoon was put. You don't know if they were cleaned. You don't know anything. So no bulk bins unless you go into a dedicated gluten free grocery store.

You have to swap out your cutting board, any utensils. And yes, if you have bamboo or whatever, anything that's wooden, wood-like has to go. You cannot use it anymore. If you're going to do a toaster you got to get your own that's separate from the other toaster. You can't clean it. There's no way. It's not worth it. 

And a pasta strainer is non-negotiable, unless it's one of those really nice ceramic ones where it doesn't have little tiny crevices. I would just say you got to get new ones because you're never going to be able to clean all those little nooks and crannies if it's like a wire or even a plastic one.

As far as condiments are concerned you have to have your own condiment jars. Here's the thing. If you're family is willing to do this with you and get onboard that makes life a whole lot easier, because then you're just buying one of everything and everyone is agreeing within the household to just keep it gluten free. And that's cool and that's usually the easiest and the best way to go. And when everybody goes out they can eat whatever they want. The gluten free person eats gluten free and you can have a hamburger with a bun fine. 

But if people are not willing to do that you have to have multiple condiments. You have to have ones that are marked for gluten free only and ones for everybody else. You cannot even share those squeeze bottles because if you actually watch people with squeeze bottles they touch the bread. So those bottles are contaminated so you can't use those. Again, you have to get all new condiments any time the knife goes in new condiments. So it's got to be brand new peanut butter, brand new jam, brand new whatever. And make sure they stay gluten free only.

You want to pay attention to body care products and especially lip products. Because ladies, Dr. Veronica, you know that you're eating your lipstick. I eat my lipstick. We all know we're all eating lipstick and it's very common that gluten is added to lipstick to keep the... It's like a binder as you said. It's like glue. It helps hold things together.

Dr. Veronica: That's the question about that when you're talking about those products. What should people be looking for on the label to know whether or not it's okay. Because you...

Jennifer: You really can't.

Dr. Veronica: ...and I can't tell... This is what I tell to people. People say, "What should I buy and how do I know it's good?" I said, "Listen, I don't know. And so I know you don't know." If you think you know that's fine but I can't figure out this so you can't figure out either. What do you tell people? Nobody wants to go like [Unintelligible 00:35:56], so what do you tell people about it? Are there products that are better or...?

Jennifer: Yes. There are products and companies that do serve these... We're considered a specialty group, right? Anybody' that's looking for vegan cosmetics, or gluten free cosmetics, or allergen free cosmetics, any of that kind of stuff you're a specialty group. And yes, there are companies that help work with us and are willing to go that extra mile.

That means that you really need to do some research. As far as I'm not the best resource for what makeup has gluten free in it but there is somebody who is. I don't know her name but her website is And she is constantly reviewing stuff. 

I'll use Red Apple Lipstick. They're really good. I apologize. There's a bunch of companies, like I don't even know their names anymore that will send me stuff and I'll use. But I'm mainly concerned with what goes on or around or in my mouth. Anything dental I want to make sure my toothpaste is gluten free. My floss is gluten free. My mouthwash is gluten free. Lipstick, ChapStick, lip balm. I'm not personally so concerned with all the rest of my face like foundation and all that stuff because I don't react to it. Some people have that issue where they do. And so for them it's important to go all out.

That said with body care products I do have to use gluten free shampoo because my scalp gets incredibly scaly when it's exposed to gluten. There are a few companies now that do offer really great gluten free body care products, Mineral Fusion is one. There are two companies that have certified their products as gluten free. Jason has a whole line that's certified as does Avalon Organics. They were actually the first two body care products ever to get certified.

Dr. Veronica: Alright, I'm familiar with some of those...

Jennifer: Yeah, and they're sold at Whole Foods and you can buy them on Amazon if you're not in your Whole Foods. These aren't crazy wackadoo companies. They're major brands. Nature's Gate is another good one. Kiss My Face is another good company as well. There's a lot of companies now that they're offering this. 

And you also want to be careful of sunscreen because sunscreen does run down your face. You don't realize if you're rubbing it on who on earth goes to wash their hands after putting on sunscreen? Nobody. Actually I do have a list of gluten free sunscreens on my website that I posted a few weeks ago that I personally called the companies. 

I checked the list that were old because everyone was referencing these lists from 2005 and I was like, that seems kind of old. I should call these companies. And I came to find that 85% of those lists were wrong. They weren't correct. I have an updated list of all the companies that I personally contacted, that I spoke to somebody, or I got an email back explaining exactly what they did. That's up on my website.

You have to be careful of supplements, over-the-counter drugs, and prescription drugs. So you need to speak, if you are gluten sensitive or you have celiac, you've got to avoid gluten, you have to tell your pharmacist every single time like, "Hey, can't have gluten. Does this have gluten in it?" Remind them because sometimes they'll change the formulary. Sometimes they'll change suppliers. There can be all sorts of problems. 

Your doctor's not going to know that you're now gluten sensitive. Dentists actually are a lot better about it than traditional doctors because they're operating in your mouth. And so yes. Gloves are safe. Powdered gloves are okay. I actually called because of my dad, I thought, "Oh my gosh, all those powdered gloves," and I was wearing the powdered gloves, and I thought I was getting gluten on my hands. And it turns out that they're well aware of it. And so it's cornstarch. If you have a corn allergy just FYI, powdered gloves have cornstarch on them.

Dr. Veronica: So true. There's a couple of other things that you talk about like being aware of pet treats and things like that. And also if you're gluten free to make sure you do your gluten free cooking first. And so that's a great thing. Remember if you're making multiple meals. But some other type of stuff that's going on out here are for instance going to restaurants and apps and things like that. First, apps, what do you say about apps that help people with a gluten free lifestyle?

Jennifer: Apps can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. They are great because they give you options and it helps narrow down your search especially in whatever area you're in, whether it's your local area you're traveling. The downside is that they're crowd sourced. So just like you don't like Facebook groups it's sort of a similar situation that you have all these people who don't know how to dine out, going to restaurants, don't know how to ask the right questions, or just simply don't know what to ask at all. 

And then posting up the reviews, saying, "Oh my gosh, that food was amazing. The fries were fantastic." I'll show up to the restaurant and I'll be like, "Do you have a dedicated fryer? Do you have this? Do you use that?" And then I'm like, "That review is completely wrong. The fries aren't safe. Why are these people saying this is safe?" Because they don't know. 

You have to take the apps and any reviews with a total grain of salt and do your own homework. And to be honest with you I train clients on how to dine out. Because once you know how to do it it's a lot easier. But it's not as simple as just going and like, "I need gluten free." That's not enough to ensure that you're [Unintelligible 00:41:39] 

Dr. Veronica: When you say double and triple check your meal what do you mean by double and triple check your meal? How do you do that?

Jennifer: When a waiter comes to your table with your meal you say, "Wow, that looks great. That's gluten free, right?" And then he'll go, "I think it is." "Okay. Could you double check that with the chef? Can you just double check that I got the right plate?" 

The thing that's always a concern is that when restaurants don't serve on different plates... Some restaurants like P.F. Chang's have totally different set of plates that identifies your meal. It separates your meal from the other people's meal at the table.

Dr. Veronica: I'm glad you mentioned P.F. Chang's because P.F. Chang’s is great at that, and how do I know why? Because I'm very sensitive to soy. Not all but I don't know what P.F. Chang’s is doing. I would go to P.F. Chang’s I love to taste their food. I love it. And I'd get so sick always. I ate at another Chinese restaurant and eat a little bit of soy and I'd be fine. P.F. Chang’s I feel like I was going to die. 

So one day everybody decided they were going to P.F. Chang’s. I'm not going to be the party pooper and say I can't go there. I went. I got their menu that was gluten free, soy free, and I was absolutely fine. They obviously know how to do it. Because before I can tell you eat in that same restaurant I feel like we have to stop on the side of the road like you said because I thought I was going to die. I would have those kind of reactions.

Jennifer: There's extra preparations that restaurants will go through. That's why people get mad when their food takes so long to come out. I'm like, you know what, I'm getting a safe meal. I don't care if I have to pay a dollar, two dollars, or three dollars extra. If I know that, number one, I'm not going to be running to the bathroom every 10 minutes, which is by the way embarrassing and humiliating depending on who you're out with. And it just feels awful and you want to go home. So it doesn't make dining out fun. 

Number two, if it's safe I'd rather eat safe food if it cost me a little bit extra than complain. I just thing we have to look at the bright side of things in life. I think a lot of people get very negative and skeptical, and they nitpick on things that don't really matter. To me it's more important to have safe food even if it means taking an extra five or ten minutes, or that it costs a little bit extra. I'd rather the restaurant go the extra mile.

Dr. Veronica: We mentioned P.F. Chang’s particularly because we have both found whatever they're doing to keep people safe is working. In your experience have you found any other restaurant names that you know that you feel also have a really good protocol to keep people safe, or is it just restaurant to restaurant? Because I found P.F. Chang’s to be in the different ones, they seem to know how to do it.

Jennifer: There's a protocol in place that restaurants as a chain will create. Some are certified by consultants to be able to handle gluten free diners like you and I. There's a program through Beyond Celiac. They were formerly called the National Foundation for Celiac Awareness. They have a program called Great Kitchens. And they train restaurants on how to handle gluten and such in the kitchen so that we will get safe food. 

In the Philadelphia area The Couch Tomato is a great restaurant to go to. They've been trained. They proudly put emblem of the The Great Kitchen seal because they have to go through a process and keep getting that updated and renewed every so often. They're great. There are some chains that are pretty good about it. I know Maggiano's is really great about it.

Dr. Veronica: Oh really? Okay.

Jennifer: Seriously, go on a gluten free app like Find Me Gluten Free and start checking things out. They'll usually be marked. They'll tell you if they've gone through The Great Kitchen Program. Let me just give you one quick example.

There's a restaurant in Philadelphia called Sazon. They're amazing. It's a Venezuelan restaurant. They're certified gluten free through the The Great Kitchen Program. I thought that because I was ordering something off the menu, this is a while back and it was marked in the gluten free section that it was automatically gluten free. And I didn't have to tell them that I was gluten free.

It turns out that what I ordered was fried in a shared fryer. That was the lesson to me, that if you're gluten free no matter where you eat you have to tell them upfront. Even if you see it's marked gluten free next to it, a kitchen has to go an extra mile when they know that you need to be gluten free. The responsibility is on to communicate that clearly, not just to pick something that looks good and call it a day and hope for the best. They're not mind readers. 

That was just [Unintelligible 00:46:35] and I've shared that with clients ever since then is to be very clear, be very upfront. The best thing to do is make reservations. Tell the person who takes the reservation, "Hey, by the way we have somebody in our party or I'm in the party and I'm gluten free." Let them know upfront. Try not to dine out at the prime times. Don't go to lunch at noon. Go at 11:45 when they're not busy. Then you're going to get more attention and they're not going to be a rush in the back. 

Or if you go out to dinner, depending on where you are just don't go at the prime time. Make a reservation when you can. Be very clear with the waiter upfront. Ask for help if you need it. Talk to the chef if need be. And if you're really just uncomfortable then thank them so much for trying to help you but say, "I'm not comfortable eating this." It is what it is.

But there's a lot more restaurants out there that are trying to cater to dietary needs than they were three years ago especially depending on where you live. But again, I don't have any issues traveling anywhere. I traveled on a book tour and I was okay. You can go in any grocery store and find plenty of gluten free food even if they don't have a gluten free section, because what, the whole produce section is gluten free.

And so I don't want people to leave this conversation thinking this is like massively hard. So I guess it's like becoming a parent, you got to figure it out. And to be honest with you, it shouldn't take you more than two to three months to get this down. If you don't have the time to do the research then you need to go get help and you need to ask somebody to help you that way you can get it done. Because the longer you expose yourself to gluten the leakier your gut will be. So take it back full circle. 

The leakier your gut will be that unfortunately increase your risk as you share Dr. Veronica of increased food sensitivity. So increased reactions, increased being sick, increased autoimmunity, all sorts of things. It's not like, "Oh I ate gluten in this one. I'll wake up tomorrow and be fine." No, it is a process that happens through your body over a series of days, weeks, months. So no one exposure is not just like, "Oops, that was this one meal and now I'm fine." Not like that. Learn how to do it right the first time is the most efficient way and you're going to get better faster.

Dr. Veronica: When we talk about doing it right I'm going to tell you from my perspective as a physician and doing coaching, very high level health coaching where I'm helping people with strategic eating and targeted supplement, what is doing it right to me look like? 

First of all as Jennifer pointed out, going to somebody who knows how to ferret out the diagnosis in the first place or what's going on or the sensitivity in the first place. This doesn't happen in regular doctor's offices. It just doesn't happen at regular doctor offices. Realize it, deal with it, get over it. [Unintelligible 00:49:36] you're going to have to make an investment of both time and money to find somebody who knows what they're doing. 

Why do I say the investment of time? Because people who know about this are just not around every corner so you may have to travel. They invest enough money because those of us who do this realize that insurance is not friendly to anybody who has these issues. And so therefore we don't deal with insurance because they just make life more of a headache and say no, no, no. So upfront instead of dealing with insurances all day we say, "Here's what it's going to be. Here's what we're going to get. And we move in life." So you're going to have to make some type of financial investment.

So understand I just upfront want people to know that, if you're not willing to make the investment... First of all you got to make the investment in good quality food. So if you're willing to make the investment in good quality food then you're going to stay sick. That's just the bottom line. 

But then expanding your team, so what else does the team look like? Once I've said, "Hey, this is what you're sensitive to and you need to figure out how to do it." And I give you the initial coaching and some initial background. And I've sent you to the computer with every day email about your first day it's been gluten free. And here's your little manual which is... Most doctors you realize they're not doing it on this level. Then you have to find somebody to partner with you who's going to help you do it even better level. And those are people like Jennifer. That's why I say we got to have somebody here to start on the path. 

But most of the time a lot of practitioners will say, "You have this. Don't eat this." And then they don't tell you how to do it. And so when I do coaching, which is different than just giving out a diagnosis it's, "Here's how you start down the pathway." But then you have to have partners for life. 

You said to me, I know you hate these Facebook groups. No, I don't hate Facebook groups. I think they're very entertaining because there's a lot of misinformation on it. So I don't hate them because they make me laugh most of the time. But on the other side, the more serious side I get concerned that people rather than going to experts, true experts who know... 

Listen, I'm not an expert. I'm not authority. An expert is somebody who's self-proclaimed. I have no education, training, and experience. I'm an authority, you're an expert. Stop it with the Facebook experts and get people who have real background authority. Jennifer would be one of those people too because she has some real education and training that backs up her personal experience, and now she's worked with a lot of people. Plus she was in there with that seeing real patients. 

If I can't say it anymore, where people fail the most, number one secret is you have to have the right team.

Jennifer: You do.

Dr. Veronica: People fail. You go to university of Google. You have all the pieces, you've done all the reading, you're a cocktail party expert but yet you can't implement it and you're running to the bathroom every other day. Here we are.

Now, here's the good piece about this. Jennifer has a gift. She has her free cheat sheet for her favorite gluten free brands. Everybody goes wild because, "I want to eat bread. I love bread." People are addicted to bread.

Jennifer: I know.

Dr. Veronica: If you're addicted to bread and think you can't go off of it, that's a neurotransmitter hormonal problem and we need to straighten that out. And then that makes your gluten free journey better. 

Let me just say it again. If you feel like you can't give up, and I say give up gluten. And you feel like you want to murder me because I told you to get off of gluten. That means your hormones or your neurotransmitters are out of balance and there's ways through strategic heating and targeted supplements getting back in the balance and then you can do it. But then you're going to go You get that free gift from Jennifer. Gluten Free School. If you Google just Gluten Free School, Jennifer's going to come up.

I was just surfing the web one day and I just found her. And then we found out we're close to each other geographically and that was pretty cool. Jennifer I thank you. I'm sorry that you were sick in the beginning of your life but it's ended up being a blessing for a lot of people. And so for people like me, I can hand them off to you because I don't want to sit around and talk about gluten all day and all night. Go to Jennifer. What you have, talk to Jennifer.

Jennifer: There's tons of free, great content on Gluten Free School. I went through the work and I've compiled everything. I keep it up to date. Like I said, I called the sunscreen companies. You don't have to do that. I believe that if I'm going to give out information it's something that I've referenced, that if I'm going to make a claim there's going to be a scientific reference that's based in real evidence to back things up. Not just something like mouse study and say, this is... 

No, we've got to look at this from a real science perspective. If we want to be taken seriously as a community then we need to do the diligence behind, ensuring that the information we're providing people is accurate. And I know people are busy. I know that they don't know all this stuff. They don't have time to go get a master’s degree in nutrition. They don't have time to go and just do everything that you've done Dr. Veronica. 

And so I think that's the real big piece to this is being willing to get a team together than help you navigate from point A to point B, my goodness think about all the time you save not being sick anymore.

Dr. Veronica: Yeah, that's right. We take our knowledge together. I tell people, "Listen, by the time I've gotten to this point in my career I go... My wheels are turning and those are half a million dollar cogs in there and I'm willing to shortcut and give you my half a million dollars of information. You add it all with other people who have that kind of information that really works. And they get results.

Jennifer has all these tools to help you get results in your life. I want to thank you for being on the Wellness revolution, that gluten free is not just a weight loss plan, it's not a weight loss plan. It's a way of life for people who have sensitivities. Thank you Jennifer.

Jennifer: Thank you so much Dr. Veronica for having me. I really appreciate it.

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Nov 17, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Melinda Arcara about The Secrets to Beginning Your Gluten Free Life. Have you thought about giving up gluten but have no idea where to start? Melinda Arcara healed herself from non-Celiac, gluten intolerance and a severe Vitamin B and iron deficiency. Now, she teaches the secrets to beginning your gluten-free life by not eliminating foods in your diet but rather substituting them.

In this episode, Melinda will talk about her experience with the food elimination diet, being a healthy food advocate and the importance behind GMO foods. She will also suggest whether you should give up gluten and how to confirm your deficiency with blood tests. Listen to the end to hear how Melinda’s body reacted when reintroducing gluten back into her diet.


Full Show Notes:


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Show Notes:

02:50 - Why Melinda was nicknamed gluten free bebe

05:25 - Conducting a food elimination diet

06:45 - Becoming super sensitive to gluten causing leaky gut

08:30 - Food allergy vs. food intolerance

11:00 - Testing different group gluten sensitivity

13:50 - Being a healthy food advocate

17:20 - The dark bill and GMO foods

21:20 - Gluten free healthy food addict

23:50 - Should we all give up gluten?

30:50 - Blood tests to determine deficiencies

32:45 - Strategic eating and targeted supplements

34:40 - The 3 Steps to Gluten Free Living

37:25 - Every food has nutritional value

38:55 - Sugar and grain detox

43:20 - Non- celiac gluten sensitivity reaction


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Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.

Nov 17, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Romila “Dr. Romie” Mushtaq, M.D., ABIHM, is a traditionally trained neurologist with additional board certification in integrative medicine. Dr. Romie brings together Western medicine and Eastern wisdom to help individuals and audiences learn to heal from stress-based illnesses such as insomnia, anxiety, and career burnout.  Her program, Mindset Matters, is based in neuroscience, positive psychology, and mindfulness.

In this episode, Dr. Romie will talk about why she transitioned from Neurology to Integrative medicine. She also shares how she healed her Achalasia, found her life’s purpose and allowed her medical intuition aligned her mind, body and spirit. Listen to the end to understand the difference between mediation and religious prayer and the science behind meditation.

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Show Notes:

04:00 - Transitioning from Neurology to Integrative Medicine

05:00 - Weight gain, stress and working 100 hour work weeks

06:00 - Being diagnosed with Achalasia

06:30 - Healing through meditation

07:40 - #Chocolateismedicine

10:00 - Dr. Romies sentinel event, finding her life's purpose

14:00 - How stress is the number one concern to your health

16:30 - Aligning your mind, body and spirit

19:15 - Meditation vs. religious prayer

24:50 - The science behind meditation

29:00 - On the road to calvary: A past life


Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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Female VO: Welcome to the Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives.

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Dr. Veronica: Dr. Veronica here. This is the Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. And I have here with me the beautiful Dr. Romie. She's with her nice beautiful smile. You see that? I always strive to bring you wonderful people who can tell you something about your health. You may have a serious illness and you've been to everybody. And we all got wonderful decrees on our walls. But guess what, we are all not the same.

And one of the concerns in life today is that those of us who have education and training and higher levels of knowledge are getting usurped by people who are out there being personable. And so Dr. Romie and I have talked about this. We're going to show you about what us highly-educated doctors can do on air and what we do behind the scenes to get wonderful results in our clients.

And so you can go on the Biggest Loser and follow people like Jillian. And Jillian is wonderful at what she does but she cannot tell you about the hormones in the neurotransmitters and what to do about the Barrett's esophagus and the ulcerative colitis, and why you're still fat. Maybe you didn't balance all those pieces that you need to balance. It's not about just diet and exercise, it's a little bit more.

And so let me tell you about Dr. Romie. I want you to be able to find her, on Twitter too. Dr. Romie is a neurologist that blends both Western and Eastern philosophies. And she's been through a serious medical illness. We're going to talk about that. You think us doctors don't know what you've gone through and yes we do. Because we've been shipped all around to the best people too and then we try to manager our care and mess it up even more a little bit. But let's talk about, what else?

Neurologist with additional board certification in integrative medicine. So she has all the key points here. And we've seen her in places like giving TED Talks, on the Huffington Post, on Fox Business, all over the place. You know us media types we are all over the place. But we are all over the place is to give you goo d information. And good information sells, but when it comes time to select your practitioner, that you select somebody who really knows what they're doing. If you want to stay part of that sick care system under your insurance, it's a sick care system only, you know nothing that is not medically necessary will be covered under your secure system.

And did you know that prevention of disease and lifestyle factors that keep you alive are considered medically necessary? You need to invest in your health. And so I'm here to give you information with doctors like Dr. Romie so that you can make more informed decisions so that you can live a better, stronger, life. And this is what we're doing. Dr. Romie, welcome to the Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Romie: Veronica, thank you. It is so wonderful to connect with you virtually. I have been following your work on Twitter. I'm always elated when I find another sister doctor that speaks my language. Thank you for having me on and it's an honor to meet all of your viewers.

Dr. Veronica: Thank you so much. I want to get a little bit of background of your story. You are a neurologist but you've gone into integrative medicine. I'm an ophthalmologist and I've gone into the functional wellness area also which includes all the integrative type approach.

Dr. Romie: They're one and the same, yeah.

Dr. Veronica: How did you get from neurology to integrative medicine?

Dr. Romie: Veronica, I'll tell you my background. My dad's originally from India, my mother originally from Pakistan. So I can say the concepts of Eastern medicine and spirituality were always passed on especially by elders in the family. But what unfortunately happens when you start training in the Western medical system a lot of that gets poo pooed especially the issues of taking spirituality from science, some of the more natural ways of eating, etc.

And so it kind of just put that in the back burner and really enjoyed my career for almost 15 years as a neurologist specializing in epilepsy. I was doing cutting edge research, looking at how women's hormones affect women with epilepsy and migraines, etc. But the problem was with all those accolades I got to be real. I did not know how to manage my own stress.

Doctors are not alone but I was working a hundred hour work weeks trying to juggle patient care, research, teaching medical students, and no sleep because neurology is a high emergency kind of prone specialty so I was chronically sleep deprived. And my go-to medicine was chocolate. I am not lying. And I'm not talking just a little bit here and there. The hormone imbalance, the sleep deprivation, in four years I went up four dress sizes.

Dr. Veronica: Wow, okay.

Dr. Romie: And I knew something was really wrong but the worst part was aside from the weight gain and losing my personality and not getting more anxious all the time, I was progressively having difficulty swallowing, and it kept getting written off as, "Oh, you're type A personality. You're a neurologist. It's only heartburn. Give up the chocolate. So now you're pissing me off because you're telling me to give up the chocolate and you're naming me a type A personality, and nothing is helping me.

Well, it turned out I have a rare disorder called achalasia. And because I didn't know how to manage my stress, and all the bad eating and the lack it became so severe that it became life-threatening. And I needed to have surgery. That changed everything because in those silent moments post-op I realized, when I went back to the meditation and the yoga that I thought was just a hobby I was emotionally feeling better. And the chest pain I was having would go away.

Originally I thought the whole thing was in my head. I thought, "Oh my goodness, they didn't teach us this in medical school. Someone's going to think I'm crazy when I say I can meditate to make my chest pain feel better." And so I started to travel around the world and go back to the roots of who my people were and learn about yoga techniques all over the world, meditation, Ayurveda.

And I realized there is a solid amount of medical, scientific evidence here in the west talking about how they helped. And you know this Veronica as a doctor practicing functional medicine. But majority of our colleagues don't know this and I don't fault them because we're not taught this in medical school in our residency training.

Dr. Veronica: No, we are not. You went back to your roots let's say and found that what was in your roots, Ayurvedic medicine, which includes the mind and the spirit was more helpful to you than Western medicine. But before we talk about that I want to talk about this chocolate. Would you say that you were addicted to chocolate?

Dr. Romie: I say it now, and everybody who's heard me speak knows this, #chocolateismedicine. Tweet Dr. Veronica and Dr. Romie when you're listening to this podcast if you believe chocolate is medicine. But at that time I was addicted. And you and I both know that the addiction center and the Dopamine reward center gets lit up with the sugar and the chocolate. Now I have it in much more controlled measures, dark chocolate. But I'm human. You put me on a red eye flight from a speaking engagement, I'm tired, I'll eat a little bit more than one once of dark chocolate. I'm still admitting I'm human.

Dr. Veronica: I just wanted to ask that question because a lot of people don't understand that the food that they're reaching for a lot of times when they feel they can't control and they say, "Yes, I can. I can just stop." It's really an addiction centered where all the rest of the addictions are centered in the brain with neurochemistry going on.

And in order to get rid of the addiction, the eating disorder, the chocolate, the cigarettes, the sex, the gambling, all that type of stuff, you have to balance your neurotransmitters in your brain. And a lot of times that can be balanced through three things. One is making eating changes. The second is targeted supplements. The third is learning to manage your own stress.

Dr. Romie: Mindfulness, meditation, yoga are scientifically been proven. We can re-train the brain to be rewired away from our addiction. But it takes practice. And I think it takes from deep within your spirit a wanting and a knowing. So if somebody outside of you is saying you have a food addiction, a sugar addiction, a chocolate addiction, and you're trying to change it from a place of guilt and shame, or because you're forced to then I really think the spirit is not going to align somewhere deep within you.

You individually, when you come to terms with this is not serving me. I want to change this habit, and you set that intention, then absolutely there are the tools and functional and integrative medicine, balancing hormones, and neurotransmitters, and learning mindfulness based techniques to do all this. And neuroscience research shows you can actually re-train your brain to crave healthy foods in less than six months.

Dr. Veronica: I think it happens in less than six months. I can say with my clients it happens with two or three weeks.

Dr. Romie: Excellent.

Dr. Veronica: You make a few changes, and then within two to three weeks they say, "This wasn't as hard as I thought and I actually like things." I thought I would never like [Unintelligible 00:10:29] within a few weeks." When do you decide I do want to change?

First, you have to get to that point. And you have to admit also that somebody might know a little bit more than you know. Tell me about that part of your journey. Because you had to get to the point, you're a high travelling doctor. You trained in great places. You do the research. You're the one telling everybody else what's going on. How did you get to the place where you said, "You know what, maybe that little monk sitting out there knows a little bit probably." How did you get to that place?

Dr. Romie: Veronica, I think when you get to where I am at my age or a point in life everyone I meet has had what I call that sentinel event. It could be a health crisis that I had, a divorce, a loss of a job. You just kind of realize I'm not living my life purpose. It's just something deep within you that changes. And it comes then with an external thing in life and return to where's the answer.

I started with chocolate or buying shoes and realize I'm not happy. And the yoga and the meditation was almost an accident, a hobby on the side. And I really feel this is, is that when the student is ready the teacher will appear, one of Rami's famous sayings. And it is so true.

First understand that I'm not on this podcast dismissing neuroscience, I am grateful for the solid foundation in neurology, neuroscience, neuropsychology that I have. I really feel true health is bringing a balance of both. And that's what's missing in the Western medical system. Because we still at the Center of Natural and Integrative Medicine here in Orlando prescribe medication and run tests when we need to. We're also helping people change a foundation of their hormones and their nutrition and all of those other things and promoting wellness.

Remember, one, there's always a balance. To go to your question of how did I realize that monk had some wisdom I think it was just... I don't want to even call it accident, it was my time in life. I was at such a low point. When I went into surgery, and they already have the discussion with me, like god forbid this is cancer. You may end up disabled. What are all these plans?

I got past this depression over my life could be over. I went into even a deeper place going, "I'm not living my truth. Who am I? This is not me. I am not happy. I really hit that low spot. And it was sitting in meditation first in my own home and prayer that I realized I need to find my truth, my purpose, myself. Really, the initial yoga retreats and meditation retreats were to heal myself.

And then I realized if my chest pain and my anxiety symptoms were getting better, and I'm rewired to feel happy now I want to teach this to other people. It's my responsibility as a doctor, as a healer. Just like you feel passionately about your functional medicine knowledge. I think that's when I realized that there has to be a way to bring both together. And right now I'm a woman on a mission. I want people to have a happy brain, so you can have a happy life.

Dr. Veronica:     Talk about happy brain. I go around and I have several colleagues. We go around telling people how stress affects the body. Now, here I am sitting with you, the brain scientist. And you talk about stress and its effects on health. Give us a very good, down to earth discussion on how stress is probably the number one piece that you need to be concerned about over what diet you're eating and what supplement you're taking.

Dr. Romie: Amen. Thank you so much. First of all when I speak around the country to this issue people think stress is about what's going on on the outside. "I'm in a toxic marriage. I don't like my job." It's how we react to these things.

And so if you introduce an external stressor there's this area called the amygdala in your brain. I think of it as the airport traffic control center of your brain. It's modulating what you think, what you feel, your memories, and it's this relay path.

Imagine if you're stressed out, think of one the busiest airport, Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Airport, what happens if their airport traffic control center shuts down? Mass chaos, right? That's exactly what's happening in the brain when you're under chronic stress. It's like all systems shut down and the bare minimum is running to keep your heart rate going, your blood pressure, but even then it's pumping even harder.

Your heart rate goes up. You're high blood pressure. And what that really means is the control for the rest of your body. Every organ system is now whack. And so when you come to the doctor and you say, "I'm having hot flashes. I'm too young to be going into menopause. I can't get rid of this belly fat and I've been on every diet. In fact I've been juicing for six weeks and nothing has happened. Heartburn, tingling in the hands and feet, chronic headaches, depression." From the head to the toe, we can list 50 different symptoms that arise between hormones, your immune system, your mood, your gut, irritable bowel, all when you're stress response is off. Because there's this cascade of stress hormones that get released.

Just think it's havoc. There's a hurricane going on through your body and we need to get that inflammation under control. And that's what I am so passionate, and we'll get to this next to say that meditation is truly medicine for the mind.

Dr. Veronica: It absolutely is. And it's been well studied now and we see people who can control their body functions. But here we are in America where we are the drive-thru nation, and we would like everything quickly. Explain this to me from a neurological standpoint. Help us understand ourselves a little bit more. Why is it so hard from a brain perspective for us to grasp something different?

And so people come and they keep doing that Einstein insanity, the same thing over and over again. People will watch this podcast, they'll say, "Okay, I got it." And then they'll go read a book and continue to fail. And they won't grasp that they really have to do something different, and how we learn to do something different. Somebody's got to show it to us. We can't read it on university of Google. We can't watch it on Dr. YouTube. Why is it so hard for our brain to grasp that?

Dr. Romie: Here it is Veronica. I have used it as the theory of the "I should be meditating. I wish I could meditate. I would meditate if I have the time." Anytime our mind is saying should, would, could, it's ego-driven. From a mindfulness point of view you feel like you have to do something because somebody told you, or meditation is trending now, or I really dig Dr. Veronica and Dr. Romie so I'm going to give it a try.

I really want you to quiet down and talk to your spirit. And if there's something deep within you that knows there's something deeper going on that's causing my hormones to be out of balance, I know there's something deeper going on and why I can't lose weight, or why I'm depressed even if I'm on medications, I can't sleep at night. If there's something in you knowing you want to change then I'm here to introduce a path.

And here's the thing about mindfulness. I have no attachment to outcome. I give you this knowledge and so does Dr. Veronica with love. But if it's not your time to come to a path of meditation right now I have no judgment. We're just here planting the seed. And at some point my intention is that you will give meditation a try.

And this is why. When we don't have our mind, which is think of our mental, emotional processing, our body, our spirit, and alignment, and we go off balance that's how disease happens, or that larger thing. What is the number one most Googled phrase? "How do I find my life purpose?"

Dr. Veronica: I didn't know that.

Dr. Romie: Yeah, that is. And that's like your spirit is off because we you think you're doing what society expects you to, right? Society expected me to become a doctor. I have parents, "[Unintelligible 00:18:57], we have one doctor and you will become our doctor." And then I thought to be happy I need to buy some more designer shoes, because in those days the girls in Sex and the City were all the rage. And I was doing what was expected of me, not what my spirit really wanted.

And I promise you, sitting down in meditation this is where all these came for me. And you can find that health and mentation, and your body, my food sugar cravings have subsided. I know I'm not taking good care of myself on my chocolate cravings, you know, start going out of whack. I know my body now. And I give myself compassion. I'm human still. It'll happen, right?

Dr. Veronica: Let's talk about meditation versus prayer. Practice is like meditation and yoga versus religion, and I'm going to tell you what my understanding is. And then I want you to add into that.

Dr. Romie: Absolutely.

Dr. Veronica: I'm from a black American background and we are church-y and religious so we have a blessed day. When we go to church do you want to tell me how they're trying to kill you and send you to heaven with the food that they feed you after church, and get all the toxic things that are going on there. And so people say, "Why don't you go to the church anymore?" Because I like to live a little bit longer. That's going off and so people will be like, click, we're getting rid of Dr. Veronica for saying that.

Dr. Romie: No. I think every culture has this Veronica. The Indian culture is no different. If we're having five people over for dinner we cook enough food and a lot of it's fattening for 20. And so I think there's cultures all over the world where food is used to celebrate any emotion, good day, bad day.

But to go back to your original question about how religion is different I always this. First of all I'm a big advocate if it feels right for you to attend your spiritual service and community research study show Americans are happier if they are part of any type of religious spiritual community and attend services regularly.

And if you look at that study that came out of University of Texas in Austin that it didn't matter what religion you were it was whatever spoke to you. So one is...

Dr. Veronica: It doesn't matter what religion it is as long as it speaks to you. I just wanted to know everything...

Dr. Romie: And it is. And from the path...

Dr. Veronica: I'm going to answer it. I want to say that there's a lot of paths out there... there's so many paths out there because there's so many people on the earth.

Dr. Romie: Well said. And for me as a spiritual teacher and healer is that there are many paths to one destination. And that destination is one, the creator, God, Jesus, Buddha, spirit, however people see that it is all one. So the prayer is offering thanks to God, talking to God, praising God, asking God for help for yourself, for others. Meditation is sitting in quiet time and hearing what God or the universe has to say back to you. That is the difference.

Dr. Veronica: I feel that in the American culture we're good at begging God for what we want. That's what we do usually because we got to get...

Dr. Romie: Been there.

Dr. Veronica: But as far as just sitting and listening and observing what's going around when you're not sitting in prayer, that God uses the universe, the creator of all that is uses to give you signals. I think we're totally awful at picking up those signals, either sitting quietly and listening or just noticing that, "Hey, you know what, I just happen to click on this podcast and Dr. Romie said something that resonates with me."

Dr. Romie: Yeah, thank you. I think we think we're awful at it and I'm a bad meditator because we're so judgmental in this society. Either you're a good person, a bad person, you get an A, you get an F. There is no such thing as passing or failing meditation. Meditation is just sitting and being what happens, number one. So there's no right or wrong way to meditate. Just sit and be present.

Here's the other thing. People think, "I'm not a medical intuitive like Dr. Romie. I can't figure this out. Or that's all spiritual woo woo stuff." No, it's not that. You know what I often tell my corporate clients and everyone can relate? When you meditate and spirit is speaking to you that's your gut instinct or your intuition.

Think of all the parents that are listening, something in your gut instinct has told your child is in danger. Or I think of my corporate clients, they say, "I was interviewing a candidate. Their resume was perfect. But just something inside of me said they're not going to be a right fit for the company." And that's when we're silent and listening to intuition.

Then when all the "yeah, buts" and we start rationalizing coming in that's the monkey mind coming back in and fear. Go with the gut instinct. And as you sit and quiet in meditation everybody has this ability to connect to spirit intuition. It's what I teach my clients to do and it's how they get to a path of health. Because to go back to what you were saying earlier in this podcast the addictions, the eating, the shopping, the gambling, the losing time on social media, that's mind-numbing activity that we're doing.

Mindful activity is like "I'm going to stop, and be present, and listen to what Dr. Veronica and Dr. Romie are saying. And I'm going to feel into my body and just allow what needs to come to me in this moment to come." It's that simple. And how do you do it? Just by consciously taking a breath. You want to do it together Dr. Veronica?

Dr. Veronica: Wait. I have to ask you a question. Because if people say, "Yeah, this meditation... I don't want to hear about it. There's no science behind it and so I don't want to talk about it." Now, that's why I had to put that out there because there is science behind this. You make very good faces.

Tell us about some of the science behind meditation that says we as doctors should now be writing prescription to meditation, to yoga class, to tai-chi, to something else that's out there that's outside of a pill.

Dr. Romie: I agree. It was so well said. I'm on a mission to get mindfulness into meditation just like you are medicine. I'm sorry Dr. Veronica. Here is the truth. This literature date back to the 1940's, to Harvard Medical School where Dr. Walter Cannon discovered the stress response that I told you about earlier in the 1970's. Dr. Herbert Benson also at Harvard Medical School started to say, "How do we shut off that airport traffic control tower, that stress response that's causing havoc in our body and our brain?" It's through relaxation.

Since the 1970's we've had a wealth of literature showing that meditation, scientific data in medical journals around the world that are considered the most elite medical journals showing meditation will lower blood pressure, calm down the heart rate, heal depression, heal anxiety, reduce frequency of migraine headaches, cure insomnia, the list goes on and on and on.

It's wealth is there and anybody can come to my website, I'm constantly updating it and showing it. The literature is there I just think unfortunately the health care system is like the Titanic, very slow to turn even though they know the iceberg is right there. And it's going to take time to get all of this into the curriculum. But now integrative medicine is a board certification. And 62 medical schools at this time have integrative medicine departments in their medical schools. It's slowly coming about. Number one killer for men and women in this country, you know what it is Dr. Veronica, heart disease.

Dr. Veronica: And which means you're killing yourself.

Dr. Romie: We're killing ourselves. And the American Heart Association actually recommends meditation as one of the recommended therapies for controlling high blood pressure.

Dr. Veronica: Why is it so hard to get this word out there? Why?

Dr. Romie: I'm not going to give up. I hold hope. And I think people like you and I having this discussion, saying, "Hey, here are a couple of women who dedicated their entire lives to studying to being doctors and practicing medicine talking about it." I give accolades to who I consider the visionary in this field, Dr. Deepak Chopra. He's been talking about this for over 30 years in all of his books. And now we see it's getting out there slowly.

The fact that I get called upon regularly to teach Fortune 500 companies gives me hope that the word is getting out there. That using mindfulness-based techniques such as meditation helped to calm us down, promote health, promote productivity, a healthy brain, a happy brain. I really feel that we're getting there.

The fact that we can have this discussion today, and this discussion was not a part of the system when I was in residency training back in 1999 really speaks to it. Here we are, two women on a mission and I know there's a lot more people that are listening today and I will always continue to have hope that we can spread a positive message about health and wellness.

Dr. Veronica: Wonderful. I have to just share something that you will appreciate and my audience will appreciate. Because you talk about, "We're not going to talk about medication because I'm a Western-trained doctor. I'm going to leave that behind."

And so in my life and career now my audience knows and some other people may know the doctor community doesn't like it all that much but I tell people almost before I tell them I'm a doctor, I'm a medical intuitive. I'm very clairvoyant. I can see past lives and I can hook very well together what's going on, the stressors, the emotional and spiritual. And it's not always in this life.

I have to share this with you just because I think you'll find this interesting. My name is Veronica. As you know one of my past lives, Veronica, true image, on the road to Calvary, the true image, a woman who placed a veil on the face of Jesus. At the time we don't know if the woman was named Veronica and she didn't know necessarily what was going on. And so Veronica wasn't necessarily the name of the woman, it meant she got this image and that's where the name came from. Named after a Catholic, that's me.

However, in one of my past lives I was there. And part of that past life was after I saw this man on the road, I had no idea who he was, who says to me after I wiped his face off, keep healing the people.

Dr. Romie: Amen.

Dr. Veronica: I went out and founded a big clinic at that point in time and it was all women who came and worked in this clinic. And people came from far places to be able to get healings. And I know you were there at that clinic with. When I meet people I can see something.

Dr. Romie: Namaste sister. The spirit in me just honors the spirit in you and that's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. It's giving me...

Dr. Veronica: I just wanted to share. I was looking and I was like...

Dr. Romie: Thank you for that gift.

Dr. Veronica: I know her soul from. Let me just say something else. We call ourselves healers but what we actually are is we're the witnesses to other people's healing. We bring forth our knowledge. And so we formed traditional medical training but our souls have traveled in other healing professions. Which is why at this point we're bringing it all together.

I needed to be an eye surgeon to have credibility here today in America, graduate with honors, this, that, and the other thing. You needed to be the neurologist, the practitioner, this, that, and the other thing. But that side of you that is resonating most now is the side that says to meditate. The side that resonates with my audience is the side that says, "You got to connect the spiritual and physical together, and when I do readings for people." Keep doing what you're doing.

Dr. Romie: Amen to you too.

Dr. Veronica: I honor you. I am so happy you came and that you said yes.

Dr. Romie: Honored to be here. This is fun. We could do this all day. So anytime, let's reconnect. Thank you for having me.

Dr. Veronica: We hope that we'll be able to work together in the same space physically at some point to help people. Thank you so much for being on Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Romie: It's been an honor Dr. Veronica. Keep spreading the love out there sister. Keep spreading the love.

Dr. Veronica: Thank you.

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Nov 17, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Sharon Lynn Wyeth, created Neimology Science after 18 years of research, testing her theories and has supported thousands of people around the world in understanding themselves and others better.  Neimology® Science, the ability to interpret the letters in one’s name to see how a person behaves and thinks, along with other identifying characteristics. Each name carries with it a unique meaning that gives us insight into that individual.

In this episode, Sharon will help you learn your gift behind your birth name, confirm your hunches about people, 10-minute hiring techniques for large companies and tips on how to look for the perfect relationship partner. Listen to the full show if you’d like to discover how to access others quickly and yourself better by understanding the gifts and challenges hidden within a name you’ll love.


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Show Notes:

02:40 - Start knowing the person by knowing the name

05:20 - What your birth name and marriage name mean

09:25 - HR companies hiring employees based on their name

14:50 - Looking for the perfect relationship partner

21:00 - How to know your own name using vowels

28:30 - Knowing physical ailment with letter combination

30:40 - Private workshop training with Sharon

33:00 - What if your name is in a different language?


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Female VO: Welcome to Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness, in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives. If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit for instant access. And here's your host, Dr. Veronica.

Dr. Veronica: On another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. You're going to enjoy this like every other episode. You know I always bring you delightful guests because you have to figure out how to be well 360, mind, body, spirit. And one of those ways on figuring it out, we give you all the body stuff and everybody has their formula. We talk about gluten a lot and diets, and autoimmunity, and thyroid, and mediation, and this and that. But we're going to talk about something that you may have never ever heard of. If you have you're one of the few people we need to get this word out there that's why I'm having this lady on.

Sharon Lynn Wyeth is a Neimologist. And we're saying, "Neimologist, what is that?" She's going to explain that to you and how she came up with it. Know your name about what you are meant to be, your life purpose, your spiritual purpose, your path. Have you ever wondered, "Am I on the master path? Am I on the student path? What am I actually here for?" Did you know that your name it's written right in your name? 

Get out your pencil and paper, write down your name. As you hear some of these calls you want to write this down because if you're having in your life struggles, fear, anger, sadness, which is leading you to trigger physical health problems. You got to figure out how do I get rid of it. And part of figuring out to get rid of it is to know thyself. Let's start with your name.

First I'm going to give you the website a lot because you want to go there, Sharon Lynn Wyeth, welcome to Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Sharon: It's always nice to be here with you Veronica. Thank you for having me.

Dr. Veronica: Let's get a little bit about your background. We're going to talk about names. You have an interesting name. It's spelled Sharon but it's pronounced Sharón. Tell us a bit about your name and how you ended up getting interested in studying names and actually came up with this system.

Dr. Sharon: Okay. First of all on my name, it depends on what part of the world you're in how they pronounce the name Sharon. Sharon is a universal name. It's one of the handful of names that I don't care what country you go to they have that name and it's a common name for them. And in the Middle East Sharon is pronounced Sharón, and that's how I got my Sharón. I always jokingly say it's like, "My, my, my Sharonna" without the A, that good old song by The Knack. 

How I started this was it was in my 7th year of my teaching and I was doing this seating chart at the beginning of the school year, and you randomly put down names because you don't know this student, saying you're just going to put him in some kind of a seating chart. When I was doing that my brain was saying, "Don't put Joshua next to Julie because together they're going to be clowns, and Derrick’s going to need extra help. Put them up close. And Stephanie's going to be stubborn. Put her over to the side so she'll never have to change her seat."

As I was doing this class after class it didn't even dawn on me until I started my fourth class that I'm like, "Wait a minute, I don't know these kids. What am I doing?" And I was doing the same thing when I do [Unintelligible 00:03:48] because you want a good seating chart where everybody's comfortable and likes the people around them but they don't like them too much, because you want them to behave. 

And so when I realized that I didn't know them yet I first felt really guilty because I thought, "Oh my gosh, what am I doing?" And then when I got over the guilt the curiosity came up and I said, "I'm going to write down what my impression is of every person just based on their name because that's all I've got. And I put it aside for 3 months until winter break, and when I looked at it I was really amazed at its accuracy. 

So I my brain is thoroughly trained in patterns being a math major and having my masters and I thought my brain has picked up some kind of a pattern, and now how do I make it conscious. I started with big charts and I put across the top, there was plethora of... David's in my life at the time, and I put across the top all my David's, David [Unintelligible 00:04:40], David Zimmerman, David Landis, all my David’s. And then I said, "What have I observed about these David’s?"

I took each person and I wrote down all the adverbs and adjectives I could use describing that person. And then I said, "What's in common all the way across?" And those had to come from the name David and what's not uncommon had come from the others. I was always making charts and listing comparisons, and putting down observations. 

To make a long story short it took me 15 years to figure out all the nuances. And the first name is the essence of who you are. The middle name is where we go under stress. If we don't have a middle name then who you see is what you get no matter whether you're under stress or not. And your last name represents your environment. You have both nature and nurture all in your name.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. For those of us, many of the people who are watching these type of podcasts are like me, women first of all. And a lot of us women change our name through our lifetime through marriage. How does it make a difference about that because we're just like saying I was born this name. For me my middle name I was given it but I don't use my middle name at all and hardly through life have used my middle name. Talk about these name changes, what we decide to use. I was married one time. Now I'm married to somebody else and I got a different name. I'm simple compared to a lot of people though.

Dr. Sharon: Yes, you are.

Dr. Veronica: What happens is the birth name is literally our contract for this lifetime and what we came to do, who we are, our strengths and our challenges, what we came to learn. That's our birth name. And our birth name doesn't change. Every other name that we use is kind of like a nickname. And that's saying how our personality is evolving and showing differently. If we agree to answer by somebody's nickname then we're only showing them that part of who we really are by calling them in that nickname.

When you compare the birth name and the nickname you'll see what's being hidden, or what's not being shown, or what that person doesn't want to see those aspects of you, the end. Your last name represents your environment. If you're single, first of all you're growing up with your parent's last name and it lets you know what that environment was like when you're growing up. But now that you're getting married, so it lets you know what the marriage environment is like because the last name always lets you know about the environment.

I help a lot of people change their names if they want to, and I always say give me 10 things that you want in other people in your environment, 10 qualities that you want. And then I'll come up with this long list of names that all have that 10 qualities. You wipe out all the ones you don't like the sound of and then I'll tell you what else is in that name besides the 10 qualities that you wanted. Because we want to attract certain people. Winston Churchill, he said, "I want to surround myself with people smarter than me." 

Once I heard that I thought, "That makes sense." What do I want in my last name to balance? And just like I changed my last name eight and a half years ago now, and I made it up based on what I knew. And it changed my whole life came into more balance.

You can make a big difference by just who you're attracting into your world, that's their last name. You go by a nickname and your first name, it says, "I'm going to show you these aspects of me and I'm going to hide or keep private the other ones. Or right now I'm focusing on these aspects of me and I'm not focusing on the other. In the meantime different people will call us different things that we respond to. And they're saying I only need to see this part of you, whatever is in that nickname that you're responding to, that they're calling you. That's the only part of you they want to see. They're not wanting to see all of you.

And the middle name is where we go under stress so even if you don't use it it's still running. It's still there. And if you use it a lot like I do, and like a lot of people do, then it comes into play more often or it's easier to see when it comes into play. But it's still coming into play even if you're not using it because it's part of your birth name.

Dr. Veronica: Interesting. Do titles at all play into it? It's just like somebody's title, maybe Mr., or Mrs., or Ms., or doctor? Or I have a friend who's Dom, or Sir, or Knight, do those titles play into this whole thing at all?

Dr. Sharon: Only when they're used. If they're not used the answer is no. They're only important to the people that are using them when they're calling you. And then you shift to fit that title along with your name. Now you've got protocol or an image to also present besides who you really are. So it makes a difference on how you present the same qualities that you would normally present possibly a different way.

Dr. Veronica: This all seems fascinating and fun but I know it makes a difference in people's lives and I know that you've done work with a lot of people and have helped lots and lots of people in ways that we couldn't imagine. Tell us a little bit about that just because people are saying this is just a little game. It's not just a little game. You've done some remarkable...

Dr. Sharon: I'll start with businesses. HR companies, and I work with some very large companies and some very small companies. And when they get a lot of people applying for a job they'll literally say, "Here's the job description, here's the list of names, narrow it down for me who should I get." And when I was tested over a six month time period for this large company of 400 and something employees and they were constantly growing. He would literally send me the names in the job description. 

At first he did it beforehand but he was working with me once a week. And then after about two months, 10 minutes after we'd started he'd say, "Here's my list." He wanted to make sure I wasn't going onto the web, or trying to look people up, or whatever. At four and a half months what I gave them as my number one and number two was the first time he gave me feedback. He said, "For four and half months my team has interviewed people. They've looked at all the resumes. They've called the references. They take a lot of time and a lot of money to narrow it down and then they recommend a number one and a number two to meet to hire.

He said, "You consistently for four and a half months, in ten minutes or less has given me the exact same number one and number two. But this is the first time my one and two is your two and one. Why did you choose that?" I said, "Well, here was my distinguishing piece, what I was using to make that decision." His response was, "We wouldn't be able to see that. Nobody would give that to us in a reference. Nobody would let us know that. That wouldn't come up in an interview. We wouldn't know that until after we hired the person. And because of your accuracy we're going with you instead of my team." And so they hired the other one. 

But that was literally two and a half years ago and I still work with them on people that they're managing. And I don't have to work with them quite as much simply because they're all learning the system. And the whole role is learn the system so you don't actually don't need me, so I can work myself out of a job, which is kind of scary in a way but really wonderful.

Dr. Veronica: There's too many people in the world. You won't be worked out of a job. People who are hiring and there's a lot of us who were entrepreneurs and I'm thinking, "I'm hiring right now. Maybe I need to put some names in front of you tell me who I need."

Dr. Sharon: Exactly. What is your job description? What do you need? Then the other thing is I'm working with a lot of lawyers on how to do they present a case for this person that they're representing and that judge. What do both of them need to hear? What words ping them? What words will move that judge to go in the favor of this client. What words will I need to say so the client knows I'm fighting on their behalf, so they can hear me.

I work with a lot of lawyers. And then I work with a lot of individuals and a lot of family counseling or individual marriage counseling. There was this group in Hawaii, this one couple that came to me, they'd heard me at this talk and they said, "Do you have any appointments left?" I said, "One. If you can make it, great." 

They came in and they handed me their names. I said, "Oh, you're here because there's a communication problem? And they just looked at me and nodded their heads." I said, "Okay. Normally I will go a little bit with the woman and a little bit with the man." But I looked at the man and I said, "You're here under duress. You don't really want to be here according to your name." He goes, "You're right. But she talked me into it." I said, "I'm going to do the whole process with her so you can see it all and feel safe and then I'll do it with you." 

I asked him, "It looks to me like after two years your relationship's kind of going to the dump. Would you like to know why?" I had to ask him three times before he said yes, but he did say this is my fifth relationship that at the two year mark and here we're having problems. And I thought I'm not surprised. Do you want to know why? And it took him a while before he said yes. And finally when he did I said, "It's because you're so needing to be in charge and in control all the time that you would rather be right than have a relationship. And you don't know how to apologize when you're wrong."

And I said it first. The woman says, "When he gets more comfortable that'll go away or that'll change. And at the two year mark they realize that's not going to go away and that's not going to change. And so then they say, "I don't want to live with somebody who can't apologize and always has to be right and the one in charge." And then they break up. And the coolest part about that one and why I remember them is because we had a lot of talking and they said often, "Oh my gosh, we're just talking about that." Because it all shows up in the name and you can get right to the bottom of it. There's no fooling around. 

But that evening my host that had sponsored me over there took me to this wonderful event that had like a thousand people in the audience. And they found me, they came down at intermission, and they said they had done nothing but talk since they had the session. And most people now have new tools and they're going to improve their relationships. And this couple said, "We decided it was going to be way too much work for us to stay together. But the nicest part is we know why it doesn't work and neither one of us has resentment or hurt feelings. We can let this one go without saying I wish I coulda, shoulda, woulda, and second guessing. And we can go and still be friends."

Dr. Veronica: Let's get deeper into that because a lot of people for all kinds of reasons you're happier, you're healthier when you're in a good relationship. But there are many people, both men and women, who feel like they have difficulty picking the right partner for them, or they're attracting the right partner.

When you talk about the couple I'm thinking what was it about her name that made her choose that guy. What did you know about her, or what can we know about ourselves that we're making this choice.  "My name is Liz and this is why I'm choosing that."

Dr. Sharon: In a private session all of that comes out. You're going to say who you're attracting, what you're looking for, what turns you on in essence, and what makes you excited about somebody else? It's kind of like that movie When Harry Met Sally. Before they ever met I could've told you they were both into books and reading extensively. They were both workaholics but they both couch potatoes. We could go through them and say what they had in common before they ever met. They were both very likeable, very charismatic people. 

And so it shows up in your name what it is that are your strengths and what you're looking for in somebody else. And then when you have a session often people will say, "What do I want to look for?" And I'll start saying where the letters are. These are the letters you're looking for in these key positions because those are the ones that are going to carry the qualities that you're wanting.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. You just led right into a good question. We've talked before and I've mentioned this but I thought it was interesting. My husband when I met him I always felt like when I looked at his name it was smiling at me. I looked at it. I still look at it now. It just seems like it's smiling at me. What is that all about? My husband is not born in this country so he doesn't have a name that's very common. It's a name pretty much I'd never heard before I met him, but it smiles at me. What do we see in something like that?

Dr. Sharon: Okay. Just to clue your audience in, what's his name and how do you spell it?

Dr. Veronica: His name is A-B-E-L D-E-D-E-G-B-E.

Dr. Sharon: Okay. With all those E's to begin with, first of all in his name he had a lot of self-confidence. And you very much want somebody that has self-confidence because you don't want to mother them, you wanted an equal.

Dr. Veronica: Oh gosh, that's so true.

Dr. Sharon: That was very masculine so that you could be very feminine. And so he's got that in his name. You also, because you're naturally intuitive you wanted somebody else that could almost read your mind. That would know you so well that you wouldn't have to talk all the time. He would just know what you wanted. He could finish your sentences for you. He'll get the picture without you having to describe every corner, nick, and noony of the picture. And so he's able to do that and you found that very attractive.

You also needed somebody who was driven, who wanted to accomplish, who wanted to be able to compete, who could stand up and hold their own. And you needed that and he's got that in his name. So that was very attractive. You wanted a very strong individual and yet one that didn't have to be in charge. They could share. Sometimes you're in charge, sometimes he's in charge. That he was masculine enough and knew himself well enough that he didn't have to always be the guy in the lead position. And he's got all of that in his name. So looking at your name and his name, that's what attracted you.

Dr. Veronica: That's amazing. The audience has to know it's amazing that you've described us perfectly and how we interact perfectly. You guys might be saying, "You know her." No, we've only talked a few times on interviews. I met her at a conference one time and that's it. And I said, "That's fascinating. I got to interview you sometimes." 

We met and I had one name. And then I chose to change my name. I was married before, and when I was married before for whatever reason I was never comfortable with his name. Now, with my current husband Abel I'm comfortable using his name. I like using his name. This is my second husband, but my first husband had a complicated name too. It was something nobody had ever heard of. Now I have a husband name nobody ever heard of it. In fact my husband's name they can tell the origin of the name because he comes from a place in West Africa. They can tell the language and what it means and all that other type of stuff. What happened with me where I never felt good with that name, whereas now I feel comfortable.

Dr. Sharon: Without giving away the first husband's name and without knowing it, I'm going to say that there are certain letters that we all have in our names that are communication [Unintelligible 00:20:11] with somebody else’s name. Also there's certain letter combinations that each one of us has that we go ugh when we have that kind of person.

If you're talking to anybody you will notice if you talk to them long enough that there's one name that they've met a lot of people with that have that same name and they don't like that name. They learned to have a prejudice against a particular name. That is because there are six different communication styles that show up names. And I put them on a wheel. 

When you have the one that's directly opposite the other one, unless they know how to deal with that it's very uncomfortable. And those are the people that you feel don't get you. And so then you don't want to say their name or be around them so much. Because it's like you naturally know we're miscommunicating. I'm not understood when I talk to this person.

Dr. Veronica: Wow, interesting that you're going to marry somebody like that. Let's move on. So that everybody can look at their name and figure out something about them, you talk about the placement of vowels, consonants, the first vowel is this and the last vowel is that and all that. Go over some of that so we could start learning and looking at the paper, and understanding how powerful this is.

Dr. Sharon: Okay. The first letter in the first name is your first impression that you're giving out to people, the first vowel in the first name regardless of what letter, first, second, third, fourth position it has, that's your communication style, you're learning style, a lot of your attributes sit right there. Then you have these middle letters that it takes a lot of people a long time to get to know you before they start showing themselves.

And then the last letter in the first name is the letter that everybody talks about you behind your back when they say, "Oh, do you know this one?" And then they go, "Oh yeah, I do." And they always mention what's that last letter because it's their lasting impression of you.

If we're talking about the communication style and just some of the things that are in the first vowel in the first name. If you have an A these are the people that are workaholics but they're also coach potatoes. They don't need to be the one in charge but they need to work for somebody who's confident. Because if that person's not confident they'll slowly take over and do that job and their job because work always comes first. These are the people that I always laughingly say keep the books stores in order, but it's anything. It's magazines, it's whatnot. They have to be reading. They have to be learning. They have to be growing at all times because that's really important to them. 

And so a gift certificate to a bookstore is a wonderful gift because they'll always find something in there that they like. And that's just a very short synopsis and they're very visual learners. If you're presenting something to an A you want to have it where they can look at it, because that way it goes into the memory and it's easier for them to get. 

Then A-E. If your first vowel is an E I always call these the detectives. They want to know the background and the story of everybody they meet, what's behind them, what's going on, what makes them tick, and who are they really. So I think of them as the detectives. They also have a natural way of beauty in the world. They will notice like say there's a crooked picture on the wall. When they walk in by they're straightening it up because it looks better straightened out than when it's crooked. And they have a great sense of humor. They like to play. They like to have fun. Work is fun.

Just to show you the contrast, when an A goes to work they immediately go to work. "We got to do A, B, C, and D. When our job's done then we'll visit with everybody else." When an E goes to work they have to visit everybody, know that everybody's okay, and then they can go to work. They're just opposites on how they start. If you don't understand that their opposites then it becomes a conflict. But it's up to the A to learn the E's way of being and to adapt. It is not up to the E to learn the A's.

Then we have the I and the O. The I's are always family oriented. We get all of our lessons in life, they come in one of three packages. They're either health or their relationships, or their financial and resources. And so the I people get theirs not only through relationships but they say want to major in family relationships. And so the good, bad, and the ugly is on family. A lot of times the I person will say, "Oh yeah, I don't have any family issues because I don't talk to any of them." The important thing they came to learn how to do, and that is how do you get along with all these diverse personalities and not let them eat your life.

The I's love to be included. So if you know somebody who's first vowel is an I, if you're going bowling, even if they don't like to bowl you say, "Would you like to go bowling with us?" And even if it's your 100th time to go bowling and they've told you no 99 times you still ask them. And the reason for that is then they know that they were wanted and they love that even though they're going to say no again. And you all know they're going to say no. You still ask them. Because being included is very important. 

And they are the natural leaders. If the boss says something you didn't quite get it. You don't go to the boss you go to an I because they'll give it to you. They're the natural ones that were comfortable to work with.

Then there's the O and they're also leaders but they're usually the assigned leaders and they love to be the boss. They love to tell other people what to do. They nurture other people. They have so many balls up in the air they're constantly throwing balls up. And they love to see how many balls they can get up in the air and never drop one. And they love to just boss and let other people know what to do and how to do it, if it's right or if it's wrong and everything. And then they nurture other people around them to the best of their ability. 

The thing that hurts them the most is if somebody's not loyal. Because they say, "Hey look, I was so good to you and now you're not loyal back." And what that looks like is if you bad mouth anybody that they care about. Then they hold it against you and not against the other person even if what you said was true. It doesn't matter, you're bad mouthing somebody. That's not loyalty. And they hold loyalty above everything else.

Just like the A and the E, come at things from opposite directions and the A needs to be the one that learns the E. The I and the O come at things from opposite directions, natural leadership versus assigned leadership. And the O needs to learn the way of the I, the I doesn't need to learn the way of the O. It doesn't work. And O's love money, everything. You give them a present it's like how much they love me. The O [Unintelligible 00:26:26] everything by money. 

Then you have the U and the Y. The U is the other one with a great sense of humor and they love to be unique. And they love things that are different and they love experiences, and they're just fun. The have attention span about the size of the mat because it just goes. And conversations with them will go all over everywhere and eventually will circle back around. 

And so to keep up with a U, and they're great storytellers, you're going to have to be able to flow with the conversation and not be very linear because that would drive you nuts. But the U's always see the big picture where the A's and the O's are looking at the details. And so if you're putting a committee together you want big picture people along with detailed people because you want the whole thing. 

And the U's are just a lot of fun. They  are what I call entertainers. And some of them will say, "I'm not very entertaining." But it's how they put their words together and how they describe things we're all just fascinated, because they just have a unique way about them. 

Then the Y's are the spiritual seekers. They're always questioning everything. It's always like they're looking to keep finding. It doesn't matter what they know or how much they know they're always looking to find even more. And the Y is not a very often used vowel and they can be the boss' boss. It's the only one that the O will yield to.

What's also interesting about the Y is that Y's like to make things even or what I call get revenge. If you do something that's upsetting to a Y, it doesn't matter how long it takes but the right time, at the right place, whatever, they're going to get it back. They're going to somehow even the score. And they'll never let you know that you tweaked them somehow but they'll just get even down the road somewhere. 

That's a real challenge and I always think that's the vowel that you're the most cautious around because you have to really get to know them before you're going to express yourself very much because if not you don't know if you're tweaking something or not.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. That just gives us a little bit of a nutshell. Everybody's got go to I want to say that again just because you start learning these things and you're like, "I need to know more." I always look at things related to how it affects people. 

Physically people are always worried about their aches and pains, and their problems physically and that's why they originally come to me. They're having some type of physical ailment. But me being the medical intuitive I am always understand there's something underlying that. I need to come to your workshop. Is there a way that we could look at our name and know something about our physical ailments or what we're likely, where we're weak, or what we need to be careful of?

Dr. Sharon: The answer is yes. But I'm still in the research phase of that and I'm just almost ready to start testing it and fine tuning it. I've been doing that research for a long time. For example the people with an A-N combination in their name, usually at some time in their life will have immune challenges. The people with an A-R in their name will sometime in their life have a problem with their throat. They'll get the strep throat or they'll have throat issues or whatever. There are certain combinations that are lending themselves naturally to a certain part of the body.

I started doing this with collecting people's names and ailments trying to find enough to get the patterns sorted out literally because I've watched astrologers tell other people this is the weak link area in your body. And those people then say, "Well then if kidneys are the weak link I'm not going to drink. Or if the heart's the weak link then I'm not going to do something else." 

I've watched astrologers do that with different people and I thought wouldn't that be wonderful if we could do that in our names. Because I know the information is there it's just sorting it all out. And so I'm getting close to starting the testing phase.

Dr. Veronica: Exciting. I can't wait to know all that.

Dr. Sharon: Yeah, eventually it'll be know the name, know the health.

Dr. Veronica: I like that, know the name, know the health. Talk a little bit about your workshops. You have the books that people can read. I've read and I'm like I need to know more. Talk about the workshops that you put on for people.

Dr. Sharon: About every three months I put on a workshop and I keep them fairly small because I want to make sure everybody really gets it. And we go through and we cover all the chapter 6, 7, and 8 in level 1. And then we cover chapter 6, 7, and 8 in level 2. There's two levels. By the end of level 1 unless you want to do fine tuning and very subtle things you have so much information you could literally give somebody an hour reading because we go through all of it. 

And because I've been a school teacher for so many years I give you all the mnemonic devices how you can remember all of this. And then I show you shortcuts and how to read it so you can instantly know when you're meeting somebody new whether they're safe, they're not safe, you can trust them, you don't want to trust them. Maybe you can trust with them but not with money, but you can trust them in other things. It all comes out of that workshop and all the hidden stuff and how to remember it.

And then there's a lot of tricks and devices. And I also show you how to tell if that's a good address for you. There's all kinds of things that I show up, like what years of your life you're focusing on what and how do you figure that out for anybody. Where is my focus now and when is it going to change? And then what's my focus going to be? 

There's so many things in a name and it's 15 hours. It took me 15 years to figure this all out and I tested it for 3 years in over 72 countries. The first level is 15 hours and you're literally given enough that you could give somebody an hour reading and then you can charge for it because then you're certified. 

And then I have level 2 where you get all the subtleties, and that's when you can start working with the businesses.

Dr. Veronica: The workshop's two days?

Dr. Sharon: It's 15 hours and it's either two days or what I like to do is Friday night, all day Saturday, and then Sunday morning.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. That sounds good. So we can take a little bit of a long weekend but be back to work on Monday.

Dr. Sharon: Right. You can fly out Friday, you can fly home Sunday afternoon. And you squish that whole weekend in and it's going to feel like you were here a long time because of so much information you get. And you go home with cheat cards. You just lay out your cards and you just start reading everybody.

Dr. Veronica: That sounds beautiful. Your website Know The Name. We know that you're working on the health. Just one little thing before we close. We only got about five more minutes. What about people who have a different language? My son learned to speak Mandarin and the characters are completely different. What to do you do with languages like that?

Dr. Sharon: I spent a year in China and I spent two years in Japan trying to figure out the kanji, the hanji, and seeing how it correlated with the letters. What I can tell you is you need to have a much deeper understanding of that than what I was able to get in that amount of time.

What I did do when I tested it around the world is as long as they're using our letter system, the same one that we use it works. And every one there'll be a tweak and that's in the book in the What If chapter. For example in Germany when two vowels go walking the second one does the talking. In English when two vowels go walking the first one does the talking. When you're going into the diphthongs that you're given with two vowels together and what they mean, if you're a German name you just need to reverse them and then you get the right meaning.

Very few things like that, but it did give me the symbols. I traveled enough and got enough details, so like the tilde, and the accents, and the people that had numbers. It went by a number for a while and so their name. Anyway, all of that is in the What If chapter.

Dr. Veronica: Okay,, we can go there to find out when you're having the workshops. I know you're located geographically in Florida. Do you do it down there where we can come have good weather in the middle of the winter?

Dr. Sharon: I usually do Florida, I usually do Texas, I usually do San Diego. And then I'll pick one northern place every year.

Dr. Veronica: No northern places, but I know northern people want to be northern. Those of us who are more northern want to come some place hot.

Dr. Sharon: It depends on the time of the year. In the summer we all want to go north.

Dr. Veronica: It's true. Sharon thank you so much. This about people learning about themselves, but also learning how to manage the world and their stresses, and by people understanding just by knowing somebody's name what's going on. I think that lowers the stress because it allows you to be understanding. And just like that couple who realized, "We're not supposed to be together, but we're not going to hate on each other. We realized that we're just different and it was just meant to be that way. And it's not that you're bad or I'm bad, it's just our names don't go together." Thank you so much,, Sharon Lynn Wyeth.

Dr. Sharon: Always a pleasure Veronica. Thank you.

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Nov 17, 2016

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Dr. Tom O'Bryan, an internationally recognized speaker and workshop leader specializing in the impact of celiac disease and non-celiac gluten sensitivity, and the development of autoimmune conditions. He has been in practice for over 32 years and is on the teaching faculty of the institute for functional medicine. While traveling the world, he teaches physicians about developing the big picture as to what's causing the symptoms that patients are coming in with.

In this episode, Tom translates complex medical information into simple to understand ideas. We will discuss breakthrough plans to stop autoimmune triggers, restore your health and ways to prevent Alzheimer's and reverse Diabetes. Listen to the end to hear Tom’s vaccine administration strategy for infants.


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Show Notes:

01:58 - What is Autoimmune disease?

08:40 - Thyroid problems in women

16:45 - Food promoting intestinal permeability ( leaky gut )

19:00 - How your diet affects your thyroid

23:20 - How an autoimmune thyroid disease is triggered

29:40 - Preventing Alzheimer's and Diabetes

31:50 - Wheat sensitivity and inflammation in the brain

33:00 - Reversing Diabetes with a raw food diet

36:00 - Interviewing world experts of autoimmunity

38:20 - Vaccine administration strategy for infants


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Female VO: Welcome to Wellness Revolution Podcast, the radio show all about wellness, in your mind, body, spirit, personal growth, sex, and relationships. Stay tuned for weekly interviews featuring guests that have achieved physical, mental, and spiritual health in their lives. If you'd like to have access to our entire back catalog visit for instant access. And here's your host, Dr. Veronica.

Dr. Veronica: Thanks again for joining for another episode of Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution. We're going to talk today. I want to jump right into this. I want to have enough time to be able to talk to this gentleman who is a guru. The gentleman I have with me today is Dr. Thomas O'Bryan. He is originally a doctor of chiropractic medicine, but you know what I've found? I feel really silly sometimes because I feel like I went to school before medical school with the chiropractors and I was getting really good grades and they weren't doing as well. And I felt like all these people they're not so smart at going into chiropractor. Then I realized on the back half of my career that I was the dumb one and they're the smart one and I better learn from them.

So those of us who were the conventional smart doctors have now kind of thrown away a lot of what we learned. We know about the body and all that, and jumped in the pool with our colleagues because we're all colleagues out to help people get well who were the chiropractors of natural path and nutritionists. And we all collectively are out there getting the word out on how you can heal your own body.

Dr. Thomas O'Bryan has a new book out there, The Autoimmune Fix. I see so many people every day who say, "I've been told I have autoimmune disease and they haven't quite given it a name but I have autoimmune disease." 

The Autoimmune Fix talks about this but also talks about what's been going on in the health care system. What's been going on or not going on when you'd go to your doctor and here's the latest and greenest. And we also have a surprise coming up on some information that you can get where you can go and hear the world experts in autoimmune disease. Dr. Thomas O'Bryan, welcome to Dr. Veronica's Wellness Revolution.

Dr. Thomas: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be with you. Thank you.

Dr. Veronica: First define for us what it's meant by autoimmune disease? Because as I told you and I said in the intro I get a lot of people who said, "I've been told I have autoimmune." The big diagnosis these days is, "I have Hashimoto's." Every other person has Hashimoto's. "Oh, you have an autoimmune disease too. Autoimmune disease, give us the definition.

Dr. Thomas: Sure. Your immune system is the armed forces in your body. It's the army, the Air Force, the Marines, the Coast Guard, the Navy. It's there to protect you. And it's all we have to protect us. And you have exactly the same immune system that your ancestors had thousands of years ago. We haven't genetically changed. 

What was it that our immune system was designed to fight? Parasites, bugs, viruses, molds, and fungus. That's it. There was no Polysorbate 80, or red dye number 3, or Bisphenol A, or mercury in the fish. There weren’t any of the toxins that we're supposed to every day. So our immune system is the same as our ancestors, so it's built to protect us from parasites, bugs, viruses, molds, and fungus. There is no way for it to adapt.

When you get exposed to Bisphenol A for example, which is the chemical that softens plastic like water bottles, or pop bottles, or soft contact lenses, or credit card receipts have Bisphenol A. There is just millions and millions of pounds of this stuff being dumped every year here. 

But when you're exposed to Bisphenol A this chemical gets into your body and it binds on to your cells. It grabs to on to proteins inside your body like an estrogen cell or a testicular cell. Now the immune system that's there to protect you from bugs, parasites, viruses, molds, and fungus has to attach this molecule that got in there that's not supposed to be there. "This is an invader. What is this thing?" 

Your immune system attacks this Bisphenol molecule or lead molecule if you have lead poisoning, where mercury molecule, and you create this inflammation as the immune system is trying to destroy this invader. And the inflammation has collateral damage which damages your own cell that the Bisphenol A grabbed on to. And now your immune system has just damaged your cell. When the immune system attacks yourself it's called an autoimmune mechanism. It's the immune system attacking cells. 

In the example I just gave you we make antibodies every day to ourself. There's a normal reference range for thyroid antibodies and brain antibodies. There's a normal range, why? Because your immune system is the garbage collector. It's got to get rid of the old and damaged cells, the ones that are breaking down or just worn out to make room for new cells to be built. 

You have a whole new body every 7 years. We regenerate every cell in our body. But to make room for cells to regenerate you've got to get rid of the old and damaged ones. There's a normal level of thyroid antibodies. It's normal. But when you have a chemical binding on to the thyroid for this example, the chemical might be chlorine or it could be Bisphenol A binding to a thyroid cell, and your immune system says, "What is this stuff? That's not good for me. I better attack it. 

Your immune system attacks that cell and causes the inflammation that damages the thyroid that the Bisphenol A's grabbed on to. Now the antibodies that your body makes to get rid of old thyroid cells, it has to make some more antibodies to get rid of the damaged thyroid Bisphenol A cell, because the thyroid cell's been damaged you got to get rid of it. So you make some extra antibodies to your thyroid.

That's not a problem. But you're exposed to Bisphenol A every day. One hundred percent of the infants born today have Bisphenol A in their urine, 100% of them, because mom has it. Mom's toxic with this stuff, right? It binds on to your cells. And so every day you're exposed to this stuff, and then your body makes more antibodies to your thyroid to get rid of the damaged thyroid cell that the Bisphenol A was grabbing on to. And you make more thyroid cells. 

And if you did a blood test you'd see you had a high thyroid antibody levels and you make more thyroid antibodies. Until one day this thyroid antibody production becomes self-perpetuating. It's got a life of its own. Now you develop the autoimmune disease, so you're on the autoimmune spectrum with elevated antibodies, but now it moves into an autoimmune disease because you've killed off enough thyroid cells because of the elevated antibodies, the thyroid can't function very well anymore. That's the autoimmune disease. 

Mrs. Patient, you pull at a chain, the chain always breaks at the weakest link. It's at one end, the middle, the other end, your heart, your brain, your liver, your kidneys, wherever your genetic weak link is that's where the chain's going to break when you pull too hard. Inflammation is the pull on the chain. 

That's why we here about anti-inflammatory lifestyles. It's that you want to live as much of an anti-inflammatory lifestyle with all that that means. And your show talks about that a lot, about anti-inflammatory lifestyles, so that you don't have that link of the chain break and get an autoimmune disease. What's pulling on the chain?

What's pulling on the chain is the gasoline or the kerosene that you're getting in your body, if it's air pollution or if it's food you're eating that aren't good for you. The question is it a kidney or a brain cell, is it gasoline or kerosene? When you want to start fixing these problems you have to ask the questions, "Where is my immune system attacking right now and why is my immune system attacking there?" That's the way you uncover what the mechanism is that's causing the diseases that we have.

Dr. Veronica: Talk a little bit about thyroid because I think all of us that are in the functional medicine wellness arena, the thyroid people come in because they just seem for whatever reason they're the most miserable... There's other miserable people, but the thyroid people seem to be miserable and go seek their help. Why thyroid and why mostly women, although there's a lot of men now prop up with it.

Dr. Thomas: Yeah, but the ratio of women to men with Hashimoto's is 9:1. It's much more prevalent in women. There's a number of reasons for that. The first reason is receptor sites are catcher's mitts. The pitcher throws the ball to the catcher. You have receptor sites on the outside of your cells facing the bloodstream. So as the blood's going by it goes past these receptor sites. Hormones get inside the cell to do whatever they're supposed to do by going through the receptor site.

Estrogen in your bloodstream only goes into an estrogen receptor site. It won't go into a thyroid receptor site. And it goes into the estrogen receptor site, it opens the door and the estrogen goes inside the cell and the body will do what it's going to do. Insulin won't go into an estrogen receptor site, it won't go into a thyroid receptor site. It only goes into an insulin receptor site. All the hormones have specific receptor sites. There are chemicals that we're exposed to now every day, never before in the history of humanity but now every day. And there are three chemicals known to compete on thyroid receptor sites. 

Now, back up for a minute. There's only two substances for which there are receptor sites on every cell of your body. No, it's not testosterone, no not estrogen, no not insulin, the only substances for which there are receptor sites on every cell of your body are vitamin D... That's why vitamin D is so important for us because every cell needs it, and thyroid hormone. Because your thyroid hormone is the thermostat on the wall in your house. 

At night you turn the thermostat down so the furnace goes down. It's colder in the house, so that you sleep and you save fuel. In the morning it automatically turns back on before you get up, and so it warms up the house but you save fuel during the night. Thyroid hormone controls the thermostat. That's called your metabolism and how hot your cells burn, how many calories you burn, that's your thyroid hormone. Every cell needs control as to how hot it should burn, that's what thyroid hormone does.

Thyroid hormones in the bloodstream, and it goes past the thyroid receptor site and it goes right into it. It opens the door and the thyroid hormone goes into the cell. As you know many people will feel like they've got thyroid symptoms. They come in and the doctor does a blood test and sees that their thyroid hormone levels are normal but they've got thyroid symptoms so they write a prescription for thyroid hormone. And we're shot gunning thyroid hormone into someone that has normal levels because it's going to help feel a little better.

How is it possible that their thyroid hormone levels are normal but a blood test that many doctors do is called TSH and it's a measure in the brain telling the thyroid how much hormone to make. TSH stands for thyroid stimulating hormone. How come the TSH can be a little high but the thyroid hormone levels are normal? And you see that all the time in practice. We all see that. How does that happen? It's because the thyroid hormone is not getting into the cell, it's in the bloodstream. Your bloodstream's just a highway. There's lots of traffic on the highway so you do a blood test and you're looking for are there Chevrolet's on the highway. Is there a thyroid hormone on the highway.

There's enough hormone but it's not getting into the cell, so the brain says, "I need more thyroid hormone in these cells." The TSH goes up to say, "Make more hormone, make hormone." But you've got plenty of hormones. And doctor shot gunned with synthetic hormone and people will feel a little bit better. It doesn't fix them but they feel a little better. 

How come the thyroid hormone is not getting into the cell? Because there are three chemicals that compete and will go into thyroid hormone receptor sites. But when they go into thyroid hormone receptor sites they don't open the door. They just sit there. The pitcher throws a fastball to the catcher but the catcher's got three baseballs in the mitt. And so the fastball just bounces out. The thyroid hormone just keeps going down the bloodstream, it can't get in. 

What are the chemicals that compete in thyroid receptor sites? The most common one... Mrs. Patient, you're in an elevator in a hotel. The elevator doors open. Can you tell right away the swimming pools on that floor? Oh yeah. They smell it. But everybody else in the elevator can't smell it. But they smell it. Why do they smell it? Because they have a chlorine sensitivity. Their detox capabilities are not breaking down the chlorine, so the chlorine is sitting in the receptor sites of the thyroid hormone. 

So the thyroid hormone is going by, it can't get into the cell. The thyroid hormone keeps going by, and yet the brain says, "I need more hormone. I need more hormone," and it's chlorine. It's a very common competitor for thyroid receptor sites. Those women, especially the women, cold hands and feet, sometimes they wear socks to bed, or your husband says you got really cold feet. You can't get up in the morning. You wish you had 20 more minutes in bed. Can't lose that last 5 pounds even if you don't eat for a couple of days. Bowels are sluggish, emotions are kind of sluggish, brain's sluggish, you kind of feel a little depressed, all signs of a sluggish thyroid. 

Your thyroid hormone levels are normal but your doctor gives you thyroid hormone anyway because we know it's going to help a little bit. And they haven't had the chance to read about this competitive inhibition of chlorine into the thyroid receptor sites. That's a very common mechanism for thyroid dysfunction. How does that relate in terms of autoimmunity?

Dr. Veronica: Let me just interrupt. Because you said there are three things, and you mentioned the chlorine, but tell people the other two that go along with chlorine just because people are going to start connecting the dots and say, "That could be me."

Dr. Thomas: You won't like this. Fluoride is very, very common. It's a very common thyroid inhibitor substance. It's in your toothpaste, it's in your mouthwash, it's in your drinking water and it competes on thyroid receptor sites. And the result is your thyroid hormone doesn't work as well as supposed to. You gain weight, you feel sluggish, sometimes you can pack on an extra 20-30 pounds over five years that it just creeps up little by little by little. Fluoride is the second one. The third one is bromide. 

So it's chlorine, fluoride, and bromide. Bromide is in baked goods. A lot of bromide is used in baked goods. Those are the three chemicals that will compete on thyroid receptor sites. And they don't breakdown, they just stay there.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. That's chemicals. I know you're an expert on another food that everybody loves and when you tell them they have to give it up they want to murder you practically because they're addicted. Talk about that food. You don't have to talk to me about...

Dr. Thomas: Unfortunately it's the most common food in America today. It's 132.5 pounds per person per year that we're eating. That's wheat. You have toast for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, a pasta for dinner, croutons on your salad, a cookie or a muffin, and it goes on a day, after a week, after a month, after year, after year. 

Harvard's published another study last year. Hollon and his team published a study and they showed that every single human when they eat wheat gets intestinal permeability. The slang term is leaky gut. And that's the gateway into the development of autoimmune diseases that we'll talk about a little bit later, but that's the gateway.

And every single person, every time they eat wheat, not just once in a while, every time. And their language was all humans develop intestinal permeability. Anyone that's watching this interview, if you're a human, I think most of you are, that means every time you eat wheat you get tears in your lining in your gut. It's called pathogenic intestinal permeability. Even for those that don't feel bad.

Those that feel bad when they eat wheat they're the blessed ones. Because you can't argue with them, they know when they eat it they get sick. But the ones where the weak link in the chain is their brain they don't want to associate the pasta they had last night with the brain fog they've got today. They just don't want to associate it, or with seizures. 

In the Journal of Gastroenterology children with drug resistant seizures, that means that they've been to at least two specialists and they've tried at least three drugs before they can get the classification of drug resistant seizures, 50% of those children go into complete remission on a wheat-free diet. Why don't our neurologists know this? Because it's in the gastroenterology journal, and neurologists don't read gastroenterology journals, they read neurology journals. So they just don't know this. Wheat can affect any tissue of your body. I'm going to give you an example of how it affects the thyroid.

When you eat wheat, Mrs. Patient. Proteins are like a pearl necklace, hydrochloric acid made in your stomach undoes the clasp of the pearl necklace. Now you have a string of pearls. Our digestive enzymes are supposed to act like scissors to break the pearl necklace into smaller clumps of pearls, then smaller clumps, and smaller clumps, and smaller clumps. Until they get broken down into each pearl of the pearl necklace. That's called an amino acid. And the amino acids go right through the walls of the intestines, and then your body uses those as building blocks to make a new muscle, or a new bone, or a new nerve hormones called neurotransmitters that your body uses the amino acids. 

Your intestines are 20-25 feet long. It starts at the mouth and goes to the other end. It's one long tube. It kind of winds around in your abdomen. It twists around quite a bit, but it's one long tube. If you could take a doughnut and stretch a doughnut straight down and look down the doughnut it's one tube. When you swallow food it's not in your body yet, it's still in the tube. It's got to go through the walls to get into the bloodstream and go everywhere else in your body.

But there's a cheesecloth that lines the intestines so that only the single pearls of the pearl necklace can fit through the cheesecloth to get into the bloodstream, only the amino acids. The problem with wheat is that no human can breakdown the pearl necklace in each pearl of the pearl necklace. The best we can do is break it into clumps of pearls. There's a 33-pearl clump, a 17-pearl clump, an 11-pearl clump. And these clumps of pearls are gasoline and the fire in the intestines. They cause inflammation. And it's the inflammation that tears the cheesecloth. When you tear the cheesecloth now larger clunks of the pearl necklace of any food can go through the permeability into the bloodstream before there's been enough time for the digestive enzymes to break that food going down the track until it's small enough to get through. Does that make sense?

Dr. Veronica: Yeah.

Dr. Thomas: You got these clumps of pearls going through into the bloodstream. They're called macro molecules, big molecules. And your immune system says, "What's this? This is not good for me. I better fight this. If you had prime rib for dinner and you chew it three or four times instead of the 15-20 that you should... You chew a couple of times and swallow it down, we shovel more than we chew and you shovel it down you got this clump of stringy meat that's kind of hard to break down. And the enzymes are trying to cut off each pearl of the pearl necklace but it takes a while. That's why you got 20 feet of intestines for the scissors to work on that. 

So it's going down in the first part of the intestines now, but there are tears in the cheesecloth. So these macro molecules of prime rib get into the bloodstream. Your immune systems says, "Whoa, I better fight this." Now you make antibodies to beef, and you're allergic to beef, or to bananas, or to chicken, or to potatoes, or to cantaloupe. 

And the doctor that does the 90-food panel to see what foods a person is sensitive to, and it comes back with 20-25 foods and the patient goes, "Oh my god, that's everything I eat." Of course it is, because your body is trying to protect you. You don't shut down the immune system, you stop the tears of the cheesecloth. So you have to find out why is the cheesecloth tearing. And when you find out why the cheesecloth is tearing then 6 months to a year later you check again the 90 foods, now you're sensitive to two or three and not 20.

That's the mechanism in the development of intestinal permeability, the leaky gut. Let's tie that now to the thyroid. How does this trigger an autoimmune thyroid disease? When this macro molecule of beef gets into the bloodstream and your immune system says, "Whoa, what's this?" The brain says, "You General, you now are General Beef. Take care of this." 

General Beef builds an assembly line. The assembly line starts producing soldiers. They're called antibodies. The soldiers are trained to go after beef, that's all they do. They're in the bloodstream looking for beef. And when they see beef clumps they fire their chemical bullets to destroy the beef clumps. Remember your bloodstream's just a highway. There's no lanes of traffic. Everything's bouncing around in there. It's going in the same direction but it's bouncing around. 

Think of the antibodies like Arnold Schwarzenegger and he's got his head out of the big Humvee. He's got those dark glasses on. He's got a big submachine gun. "Over there." And he's firing these chemical bullets at beef because he's been trained to go after beef. 

The beef macro molecule may be 15 amino acids long because it hadn't had enough time to be broken down into each pearl of the pearl necklace. So there's 15 amino acids there and Arnold has been trained to go after what anything that looks like that 15 amino acids. I'm going to sat AA, B, C, D, but it really is 15 letters long in this example.

Let's say Arnold is going after wheat because wheat got in, it tears the cheesecloth, it gets in as a macro molecule. Your immune system makes antibodies to wheat. I said beef to start with but I'm going to talk about wheat now.

Let's say Arnold's looking for AA, B, C, D. Bouncing around in the bloodstream looking for AA, B, C, D. He's got these dark glasses on. The surface of your thyroid facing the bloodstream is made up of proteins and fats. That's what the surface is made of facing the bloodstream. Proteins are made up of amino acids. There are hundreds of amino acids long, the surface of the proteins of the thyroid, hundreds of amino acids long. But part of the thyroid includes AA, B, C, D. 

Arnold that's looking for wheat, AA, B, C, D, he's like, "Oh look, over there." And he fires his chemical bullets at the thyroid to damage the thyroid cell because it's got AA, B, C, D. That's called molecular mimicry. And it's a big problem for people today, they just don't know it. It's a big problem as to why autoimmune disease is so prevalent. 

Arnold starts firing his chemical bullet at the thyroid damaging the thyroid cell. Remember you have a normal amount of thyroid cells but now you have to make a few extra because there's more damaged thyroid cells than normal. That's after having toast for breakfast. But now you have a sandwich for lunch. More Arnold, more damage to the thyroid, AA, B, C, D, if that's the weak link in your chain. 

If it's your brain Arnold goes after your brain with molecular mimicry. If it's your kidneys Arnold goes after your kidneys with molecular mimicry. It just depends on what the weak link is in your chain. With wheat it doesn't matter because AA, B, C, D is very common to the structure of the human body. It's a component of... If you think of proteins like it's big, long brick wall, many colors of bricks in there, but there's this pattern. Any time you see that pattern, "Oh look it's there. Oh look it's over too. Oh, it's there too. And that's AA, B, C, D in our bodies. It's very common in our bodies. 

So whoever the weak link is in your chain that's where Arnold's going to go. And then you have to make more antibodies to your thyroid until this antibody production to your thyroid becomes self-perpetuating. Now you're on the autoimmune spectrum, killing off your thyroid in this example or your thyroid, killing off cells, until eventually you've killed off so many cells now you're starting to get cold hands and feet, or it's hard to wake up in the morning. Now your thyroid's not working so well for you.

You go to a doctor and they take your thyroid hormone. The hormone levels are normal but you're not functioning very well. And they don't check to look for the autoimmunity that's causing all the inflammation in your thyroid and killing off the cells in your thyroid. That's the autoimmune spectrum.

Dr. Veronica: Okay. First of all I love your analogies. They're just so beautiful. Thank you. I'm into this story and I'm just like... When you've heard the story before and explained in the medical health and all the lingo with all the stuff behind it it's like, "I've heard about that." But with the Arnold Schwarzenegger behind it with glasses it's like...

Dr. Thomas: Yeah, it helps.

Dr. Veronica: Thank you so much for that. I would've jumped over because that's a beautiful explanation. Now you're talking about the autoimmune fix and we talked a little bit before we came on about type 1 diabetes which people think, you just got it. There's nothing you can do about it. And also Alzheimer's, you just get old and you just get it. There's nothing you can do. You got the tangles in your brain. You're going to get it. 

Talk a bit about can we fix this. Because most people think, "I'm a victim. I just got it. There's nothing I could do about it. I got the pill. I keep going to the doctor and gets adjusted. I feel miserable. This is just my luck in life. My family had it. My mom was like this. Too bad. Oh well." But that's not true.

Dr. Thomas: No. That's not true at all. I was just  looking for something. I can't find them quickly so I'll just skip that. No one gets Alzheimer's in their 60's or 70's. It's a decades long process, slowly killing off brain cells. Until you've killed off enough brain cells that the system doesn't work very well anymore just like your thyroid.

Dr. Dale Bredesen is at UCLA. He runs the Buck Institute at UCLA. That's the Alzheimer's Research Center. He published a paper in November of 2014 showing complete reversal of Alzheimer's in 9 out of 10 people within 5 years at UCLA. They reversed it within 5 years. How did he do it? There's a 34-point checklist. "They have this. They have this. Do they have this? Do they have this?" Top of the list, wheat sensitivity. Next, dairy sensitivity. Because AA, B, C, D is so very common with the brain when you have a sensitivity to wheat.

When I give my lectures to doctors, there's 200 doctors in the room how many know we're suspecting of a sensitivity to wheat? Let me see a show of hands? And I say, "Hold your hands high for a minute please," and they do. I say, "Look around the room," and it's about 80% of the room. Then I'll say, "How many of you know or suspect if you have an inadvertent exposure to wheat it seems to affect your brain? Let me see your hands again? Come on, hold them up." And about 50%-60% of those people raise their hand again. And I said look around the room.

This is a talk to doctors, health care practitioners. This is not a celiac group. This is your practice doctors. This is how often it's in your practice. "How many of you are finding it this often?" And maybe there'll be one person that raises her hand. In other words in clinical practice six to seven out of ten people will test positive if you do the right test, looking for a sensitivity to wheat. And of that number the most common system affected for molecular mimicry AA, B, C, D is the brain. Most common for most people it affects the brain.

You've got Arnold firing at your brain causing inflammation in the brain, that's pulling on the chain. And eventually one day you say, "I'm getting old. I don't remember the way I used to. Haha..." "Really? How old are you?" "I'm 38." No, that's not supposed to happen. No, that's not normal, you're getting older. No, it's a brain that's on fire. You've got inflammation in your brain. Why? I don't know why. Let's find out. 

But you're on the autoimmune spectrum, and that's what this book is about. The Autoimmune Fix just came out two weeks ago. What it's about is to understand this big picture concept. Everybody wants a cure. May I be gentle and say this to your listeners. Wake up. There's no such thing as a cure. There's no magic pill that fixes your diabetes. Wake up. A cure means you don't have the symptoms anymore. You have no markers of the symptoms like blood test or urine test, and you can do whatever you want.

Remission means you don't have the symptoms anymore. There is no markers of the symptoms, urine or blood test. And as long as you live the lifestyle that got you feeling better you're going to stay healthy. There's no cure. You want to read about a cure for diabetes? Go to YouTube and type in Type 2 diabetes and raw food diets. And you'll see the videos of African-American post-menopausal women which is a very high-risk group for diabetes, you'll see a video of them. They go on a raw food diet for 30 days and you see the doctors talk about their blood tests, and this is unbelievable, their diabetes is completely gone. Their cholesterol's come down 85 points. I'm taking them off their cholesterol medication. You see the doctors saying this.

The most potent thing you can do for your health is what's at the end of your fork. That's it. It's like, wake up people, wake up. And the reason I'm so direct about this is because for the first time in the history of human species, for the very first time the New England Journal of Medicine tells us today that children born today are going to get sick at an earlier age than their parents. They're going to get diagnosed with diseases at an earlier age than their parents, and they're going to die at an earlier age than when their parent's died. 

For the first time in the history of the human species. This has never happened before. We're going down. Now, the statistics are very clear, our health care system is one of the worst. The U.S. is ranked second from the bottom in quality of health care at the World Health Organization, yet we spend more for health than anywhere else on the planet. It's in pharma's big interest to keep us dumbed down and not understanding any of this. 

That's why I spent a year with Betrayal, The Autoimmune Disease Solution They're Not Telling You. When you guys wake up to this common sense stuff that's in here and that's in Betrayal you're just going to start asking different questions. And when you ask different questions your doctors are being demanded upon to get more answers. Because the things that I write about in this book just make common sense. 

Stop throwing gasoline on the fire. Everybody knows that diseases are inflammatory. Alright, stop throwing gasoline on the fire. "How do I do that?" Well, you have to learn. And so it's going to take a while to learn. There's no cure that you take this pill and you're fine. There's no cure. There is remission. And you can have a wonderfully vibrant, dynamic life you can. But we have to learn how to ask the right kind of questions.

Dr. Veronica: You mentioned Betrayal, I think so many people feel betrayed by the health care system, betrayed by their doctors, betrayed by the government, society, just betrayed by everything. We talk about Betrayal and we're going to talk about how people can get access to Betrayal and learn.

Dr. Thomas: I've traveled the world, literally. For the last few I put 165,000 air miles now in this last year. Lisbon, Barcelona, Leipzig, Germany, three times in London, Dublin, Sao Paolo, all over the world, interviewing world experts, the godfathers and godmothers of autoimmunity. And they know all of this and it's shocking when you hear them talk about it. They've know about this for years these kinds of concepts, but no one's carrying the message out and putting it together.

We put it all together. It's a seven-part series online, everything's free. It's about an hour a day for seven days. And you can register for it here with your website, so people can click on it and register and they can watch Betrayal. They're going to hear from the experts. 

You're going to hear from Dr. Marta Vives Pi in Barcelona, Spain who is reversing type 1 diabetes with diet and nutrition, regenerating beta cells of the pancreas. So your body starts making insulin again. What we've been told it's impossible. No, it's not. Read her papers. Here's the evidence. It works. It's simple. It's not a drug, and it works. 

You're going to read Prof. Yehuda Shoenfeld, the godfather of predictive autoimmunity. His book is there on the shelf, Vaccines and Autoimmunity. It just came out. Dr. Shoenfeld, to get a sense of who this guy is, 28 of the PhD students who got their PhD's under him, many more than that, but 28 of them share departments of immunology in med schools and hospitals around the world. This is the godfather. I interviewed him three times.

And you hear him say, "Dr. O'Bryan, I am very much in favor of vaccinations. They have saved millions of lives. However, if the person carries the gene HLA-DRB1, and 30% of the population does, they are very sensitive to having an acute reaction to the adjuvants in vaccine. Thus, it is of wisdom to perhaps be cautious in administering the vaccines. Perhaps a smaller time scale of administration, not seven in one day, not three in one day to these infants that have a weakened, not developed immune system yet. So you give one and you wait two weeks. You give another one. 

Sean tells all four vaccinations but he's saying for these patients that are HLA-DRB1 you got to wake up. You can't throw this toxic poison in them because their bodies can't handle it that well. Other bodies may be able to handle it okay. So it's not saying don't vaccinate, he's just saying vaccinate with caution if they have that weak link in their chain. That's the kind of stuff you're going to hear from these experts. It's just such useful information and it saves lives. It's going to save thousands and thousands of lives. I want everyone to watch this. It's all free. Because if you watch it you're going to ask different questions of your doctor.

Dr. Veronica: I just got to share because we're just meeting for the first time a little bit before the podcast of how I personally felt betrayed by my medical education. I also felt betrayed in my health care. I realized that I was sensitive to certain things because my sons, one got depressed and one got bipolar, and we figured out that they were sensitive to wheat and soy. One had thyroid symptoms major.

Dr. Thomas: AA, B, C, D.

Dr. Veronica: The doctor came to me who was my [Unintelligible 00:38:56] Dr. Veronica who's a chiropractic at... "Come here mom. Let me test you." And then what do you know, I'm sensitive. I'm not eating tons of these food so I would get six sometimes and say, "What's going on. I don't even know what happened?" And all of a sudden it answered questions for me.

And the other thing that I will say is as an African-American I used to feel, "That's a white people disease." And I realized it's not a white people disease. And probably everybody in my family is suffering from these things and oh my god we better wake up. My mother and my father has diabetes. I'm an eye surgeon by training. My grandmother went blind from diabetes. This is this betrayal that you're talking about needs to get out there into the whole world. So when people go to my Facebook page, to my website, even if it's after the date don't think that you still can have access to it because the world needs to see this.

Dr. Thomas O'Bryan I thank you for your work, your book The Autoimmune Fix. For those of you who like to read go get the book. You need it on your shelves so you can pick it up and read it over and over again, because it takes a while to digest this.

Dr. Thomas: May I say something about the book?

Dr. Veronica: Yes. 

Dr. Thomas: Here's the thing on the book. Right now it's on Amazon for 16 bucks. Amazon is selling it at a loss because it's getting more traffic. More people are coming. And then when you're on Amazon you're likely to buy something else, so that's their philosophy. But it's 16 bucks. If I make The New York Times Best Seller list that means I get invitations. I'm now a candidate for Ellen, Oz, Bill Maher, all these shows where I can carry this message out even further.

For 16 bucks I promise if you're not happy I'll give you a refund. You just send me a note and I'll give you a refund. I'm very proud of it. It's 30 years of work. But help me carry this message out. Help me if you would by getting the book. There's no profit in this. You make a couple of bucks a book. This is not for that. This is really to carry the message out to wake the world up because our kids are dying younger than their parents, and that's what this is about. So help me and watch Betrayal. Tell your friends about Betrayal. Help us carry the message out there so we can reach a million people with this.

Dr. Veronica: Yay, and I'm going to help you reach those million people with the followers of Dr. Veronica and all my posting on social media. Dr. O'Bryan, again, with much gratitude for your work and your time, those 165,000 miles to get Betrayal put together so we all could figure out what we need to do to heal ourselves. Thank you so much.

Dr. Thomas: Thank you.

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Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.


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